Rip off British Hi-Fi Industry

[WikiBoy]

OK point by point.

Richard,

What are you like!

A really nice and honest bloke!

Why is everything you don't agree with always "nonsense"?

Because it is - it beyond the stage of being mistaken.

There *is* a risk doing things your way because you never know 100% for sure if you'll manage to sell unwanted equipment, and whether or not you'll take a loss on it. I can't be arsed farting about like that, unboxing stuff, boxing it back up, and shipping it. I don't consider it "fun"!!"

No difference with a on-line retail contract to a High St retail contract, same laws apply. You still have to pack, but from retail you have to take it back. From on-line it is collected from you. Selling unwanted equipement is the same either way, but if you pay twice as much for it you are sure of a hit to your pocket.

I know people who do things your way and their living rooms look like dealer demo rooms with all their unwanted (unsold) gear strewn across the floor!

So this defeats your previous argument that you don't get enough choice to compare at home on-line, so which is your argument.

If I'm going to use a dealer my buying procedure is thus:

1) Identify equipment wanted and find a dealer who stocks it.

2) Phone up or email said dealer and arrange an audition.

3) Listen to said equipment with my own music and if it shows promise arrange a home trial to assess said equipment in my own system (minimum period one week).

4) After trial period is over, decide to buy equipment or not. If I decide to buy equipment I return the demo stock to the dealer and place an order for said equipment and pay, or buy the demo stock (if available) at a reduced price. He might even have some second-hand equipment I like that is fully guaranteed

5) When in possession of said equipment, set it up, press 'play' and enjoy beautiful music

No different to on-line you can do the same and have the same, but without having to leave your home - and you pay half as much - no brainer.

I don't care what it costs or what inconvenience this procedure entails in the short term, because in the long term I know if I've been thorough that I'm guaranteed musical satisfaction and thus will save a fortune on constant 'upgrades' and/or buying and selling unwanted equipment :eyebrows

More fool you, you are not typical, and constant upgraing is disease that follows this idustry no matter where you buy it from, no difference.

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Marco [Who's owned his CD player for 3 years, his preamp and power amp for 4 years, his T/T for 1.5 years, and his speakers for 8 years, and NEVER complains on forums about problems with his system]

You are arguing a lost cause, it matter not how long you have kept it or anything you say here - the same applies to you where ever you buy - it is not an argument for retailing. If you could buy your new car on line for half price would you go to a car showroom - no - and it will get to that industry eventually as well.

[Marco]

Oh yes, cartridge recommendations...sorry, I must get to that!

As for the discussion being off-topic, you're right, so I'll attend to it later.

The off-topic stuff will end up in Richard's 'ranting room'

Marco.

[Marco]

To cut to the chase:

Richard,

You are arguing a lost cause...

Hahaha... Never a truer word was said - you're far too stubborn and pig-headed to be rational!

you are not typical

No, thank God for that, and nor will I ever be as far as your kind of buying and selling world goes

One small point, though, when buying new, good dealers will DELIVER and INSTALL the equipment as part of their service (even just to audition if you're an existing customer), so once the order is placed you don't have to leave your armchair (except to eat, have a shit, etc, etc,). Stick that up your pipe and smoke it, baby!

Anyway, this discussion is going round in circles so it ends here. Subject closed until I tidy up the 'debris' and get the thread back on-topic!

Marco.

[WikiBoy]

BUMP!

Come on anyone not voted yet.

Yer read the argument, you have your own experience so

It is running neck and neck *you* can decide the outcome

Fascinating result so far, especially considering we have 12 dealers here registered as trade members.

[StanleyB]

Ahh! Right, I see, I've seen that before and now I know why there's a new version every other week or so!

These are the kind of lies that I strongly object to.
There were loads of recommendations and help from my initial buyers on how to make my DAC more popular if I could improve some of the initial short comings. I finally got it right last year September and subsequently released the MK6/3. That has been described as being damn close to the Chord64, etc. It has been out since October 2007 and is selling quite well. Even got Disney to order some, plus various radio and TV stations. They love the price versus performance and order them in quantity from me. So the suggestion that I release another one every week is a total slur, and one of the reason I mentioned to Marco why I wasn't keen to get involved on any more forums. Your position as moderator should bring with it a greater sense of responsibility, instead of driving us out of the market with dishonest claims. Is that the aim of the forum?
I got my enemies, but name me any other British DAC that beats the hell out of the Chinese and US offerings in terms of performance at student wages prices. Even my digital coax at less than £20 puts many 3 figure sum leads to shame and sells in fast quantities, but never gets mentioned in any lead discussion. The big names have been creaming the wallets of you guys, and slagging my products off is one way to keep you in their pocket. With a little help from their friends on forums...

[Filterlab]

...Headache - sitting on computer, listening to others talk about the product you are interested in...

No worse than stating your point of view on a forum.

Headache...reading magazines...

I must admit I love reading my monthly issue of Hi-Fi Choice - excellent for keeping abreast of the ever changing world of hi-fi.

[Mike]

Tut Tut Tut!...

First of notice the 'LOL' sign matey!

Second it was in no way a criticism, I'm very much interested in buying one in fact, remember our PM's a short while ago when you offered me a demo?

The comment I made is based entirely on your forum user name and what it implies (to me at least)... 'Sensimilia' a much sought after, err, 'plant with certain properties', some of which may induce the need to fiddle/tweak stuff.

Chill out Bud (err, no pun intended).

[WikiBoy]

Tut Tut Tut!...

First of notice the 'LOL' sign matey!

Second it was in no way a criticism, I'm very much interested in buying one in fact, remember our PM's a short while ago when you offered me a demo?

The comment I made is based entirely on your forum user name and what it implies (to me at least)... 'Sensimilia' a much sought after, err, 'plant with certain properties', some of which may induce the need to fiddle/tweak stuff.

Chill out Bud (err, no pun intended).

Have some understanding for the poor sod he has been subject to some severe libel and objectionable pandering to the industry insiders incumbent on wigwam, or as I call them the £50ers. AND the management there yet again succumbed - slurp slurp.

Look back in the archive I came here incognito with the same paranoid attitude to forums from my experience. I was pursuaded this one was different, so we have to pursued this guy. We know who he is now. I know you weren't dissing the guy and anyway it was me who made the first joke here at him being up to Mk 15.5, so I will apologise first - sorry mate, just my stupid sense of humour.

The industry is largely made up of manipulative bastards, but that is only 'cos they are now running scared. We all should have some sympathy for them, not long now, their time is running out, they feel the fear

[WikiBoy]

The industry is largely made up of manipulative bastards, but that is only 'cos they are now running scared. We all should have some sympathy for them, not long now, their time is running out, they feel the fear

Oh and BTW - before you missinterpret again Sensi (which in Japanese means teacher - master ) I am not refering to you but the bastards who orchestrated the attacks on you (and me BTW) - we know who they are

[Marco]

Look back in the archive I came here incognito with the same paranoid attitude to forums from my experience

You certainly did. I remember those 'dark' days...

Now you're part of the furniture

Marco.