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    Hi Martin,

    I agree only to a point. If you describe to me the sound of a system using, say, big band music my eyes may well glaze over too, but you could still impart useful information about the acoustic, dynamics, stereo staging etc. that I could understand.
    I think that's very true, and indeed is something I try to do when describing equipment, as no doubt you'll have noticed

    I don't think that you can ever include too much information in such circumstances, but I also don't think that it's appropriate or meritorious to gauge someone's 'status' as a music lover depending on how they relate to music through the performance of their equipment, which is effectively what the infamous Mr Dunn is attempting to do in order to classify solid-state amplifiers as the de facto choice of music lovers.

    All you achieve then is to make people feel paranoid and question themselves (am I a 'genuine' music lover or just a 'hi-fi freak'?) and in return stifle any interest they may have had in expressing their choice of equipment in musical terms - in fact, for the more easily influenced amongst us, you could stop people contributing altogether! People 'get' what they get when listening to their systems, and so should be left alone to get on with it.

    What's important is that you stay true to yourself and that what is written is genuine and heart-felt, and not some contrived 'epistle' designed to impress or appease the sensibilities of the 'cognoscenti' in an attempt to appear as 'knowledgeable' amongst one's peers.

    By the way, when a friend wants to listen to my system I usually suggest they bring their own music. However, I will always play them one classical piece as I believe it brings more understanding about performance but, more importantly, it often generates a surprising interest in what I'm playing. Classical just doesn't register on people's horizons but it doesn't mean there isn't latent interest waiting to be piqued.
    Good point, and how very true.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Classical music - just not sitting listening to it at home. It's a different ball game when my wife and I sometimes attend a ballet or go to see the BBC National Orchestra of Wales play live at one of the local halls, where there is some form of 'visual stimulus' to accompany the undoubtedly beautiful music.

    Without the visual stimulus of dancing or watching an orchestra in full flow, Classical music struggles to hold my attention, which is why I can't 'get into' it at home. I enjoy mostly music that's 'funky', rhythmic and beat-driven, and preferably with vocals present - something you can tap your feet to. 'Instrumentals', therefore, aren't really my thing, although I enjoy Jazz music - for me it's got more 'soul', and I mean in the 'black' sense of the word. It isn't 'po-faced' in the way of Classical, if you see what I mean. I also love listening to talented or interesting/unusual vocalists, but find Opera, for example, somewhat 'heavy', so Rock and Pop, etc, suits my tastes much better - that's just me

    One thing I do dislike immensely is the snobbery and pretentiousness which often perpetrates the following of Classical music, such that one can almost sense the snooty disdain of aficionados when declaring a relative non-interest in the genre; and this is sadly quite prevalent in the music section of some other forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    One thing I do dislike immensely is the snobbery and pretentiousness which often perpetrates the following of Classical music, such that one can almost sense the snooty disdain of aficionados when declaring a relative non-interest in the genre; and this is sadly quite prevalent in the music section of some other forums.
    Hear hear! I come across snootiness in both the Festival Hall and the Hammersmith Apollo, it seems to occur whenever people have narrow-minded views about music instead of enjoying a wide range of genres. For me, a Joan Armatrading song can be as emotional and direct as Mozart's Requiem. There is no need to choose, just to acknowledge the creativity of such masters.

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    One thing I do dislike immensely is the snobbery which often perpetrates the following of Classical music, such that one can almost sense the snooty disdain of aficionados when declaring a relative non-interest in the genre, and this is sadly quite prevalent in the music section of some other forums.
    There are few things that make me as frustrated as musical snobbery does. I also detest the term 'Serious Music' as is often applied to it - the most serious piece of music I know is 'Man of the World' by Fleetwood Mac - why is it less worthy than say, Haydn's Violin Concerto No. 2 in D major for example?

    I love Classical music, but it's not my main interest. The body of 'Classical' work was produced between 1750 to 1825, and by a handful of composers, usually commissioned by the aristocracy in order to boost their already over-inflated egos. Most of the rest of music was made by and for real people with real lives - I know which I think is the more serious!

    However, my life is richer for having a wider ranging taste in music than the bigots - those with that attitude are the ones who are losing out - let them get on with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo View Post
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    However, my life is richer for having a wider ranging taste in music than the bigots - those with that attitude are the ones who are losing out - let them get on with it.

    Chris
    Hear Hear!

    All styles of music are important because they have been written/composed for enjoyment by a wider audience. Just because a particular type of music is personally disliked doesn't diminish its importance. For example, I happen to dislike rap music and hip-hop, however I recognise the skill and talent involved and the fact that a lot of people out there do like it; it is no way less important than any other form of music.

    It also follows that music reproduction systems, regardless of the technology used, are there to serve anything that's put through them, whether that might be music composed in the 13th century, heavy metal, jazz, the spoken word, opera, birdsong, etc. ..........(oh! and rap and hip-hop)

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    I absolutely adore valves and would dearly love a pair of Icon Audio monoblock KT88 power amps but I have now found a system that is real music to my ears and so on that basis, I am sticking with what I have. My main issue with valve amplifiers is the cost per unit pleasure. How this would be measurable I do not know but as they are just so expensive, I'll have to give them a miss from now on.

    I recently bought a pair of Audiolab 8000M monoblocks for 490 pounds all in that are two years old. Where oh were could I find a pair of mono valve power amps for the same money...??? As stated, I now have a system that produces for me, 'That sound'. I'm hoping I don't get the upgrade bug just for the sake of it as I really do want to expand my vinyl collection from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo View Post
    However, my life is richer for having a wider ranging taste in music...
    Chris

    Sums it up beautifully. Well said sir!

    "Man Of The World" was my anthem for years - a wonderful song!
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    There is another aspect to this debate which has nothing to do with the sound or musical qualities of audio gear but everything to do with the psychological make up of the listener. I find it enough of a PITA sometimes being into vinyl and constantly worrying about scratches/fingerprints/dust/worn or (horror) chipped styli but to add in another set of variables in the form of toobs would freak me out no end. I know I'm being neurotic but I just couldn't live with a valve amp forever fretting over such things as has the bias drifted, was that valve glowing that bright yesterday, did it take this long to warm up etc etc.
    Obviously if none of this bothers you then fine but the major trauma I've just been through having to get my pre amp recapped (it's 11 years old) no sir not for me I'd be a jibbering wreck within a week of owning a valve amp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REM View Post
    There is another aspect to this debate which has nothing to do with the sound or musical qualities of audio gear but everything to do with the psychological make up of the listener. I find it enough of a PITA sometimes being into vinyl and constantly worrying about scratches/fingerprints/dust/worn or (horror) chipped styli but to add in another set of variables in the form of toobs would freak me out no end. I know I'm being neurotic but I just couldn't live with a valve amp forever fretting over such things as has the bias drifted, was that valve glowing that bright yesterday, did it take this long to warm up etc etc.
    Obviously if none of this bothers you then fine but the major trauma I've just been through having to get my pre amp recapped (it's 11 years old) no sir not for me I'd be a jibbering wreck within a week of owning a valve amp.

    Cheers
    Mr. Sandman, sorry, Ralph
    Hi Ralph

    It goes with the territory...but I can appreciate where you are coming from. For me most of the time the quality I get from the valve products I use out weigh the issues.....until they happen and then I ask my self long hard question like you ask. I shake my head and smile at the years of listening pleasure given via glowing glass and I just get on with it.

    It is worth it IMHO.


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    The tweakiness of valve amps is one of the things I love about them.It's very satisfying substantially improving the sound by changing a coupling cap or trying some new valves.

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    Talking the merits of tube vs SS is fun, and can go on for days, months, years. Even within the tube community, you can debate endlessly over SET vs Push Pull...hell, you can even debate which 300B is better in a SET design.

    But at the end of the day, audio is about listening. And luckily, we all come equipped with the best testing devices ever invented...our ears.

    When I want to convince someone about the merits of tube (SET to be precise), I don't say anything...I invite them over for a nice cocktail and a listen.

    The procedure is very simple...

    1. Sit them in a comfortable listening chair (mine happens to be a vintage Karuselli chair designed by Yrjö Kukkapuro)

    2. Put on Holly Cole's Don't Smoke in Bed

    3. Listen

    Assimilation complete.

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