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    1967 was a hell of a time to be making an album. If you wanted to win chart success, you had to compete with the likes of these:

    Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
    Their Satanic Majesties Request - Rolling Stones
    Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experienced
    Axis: Bold as Love - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
    Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits - Bob Dylan
    Disraeli Gears - Cream
    The Byrds' Greatest Hits - The Byrds
    Younger Than Yesterday - The Byrds
    Buffalo Springfield - Buffalo Springfield
    The Doors - The Doors
    The Who Sell Out - The Who
    Something Else By The Kinks - The Kinks
    Mr. Fantasy - Traffic
    Days of Future Passed - The Moody Blues
    Mellow Yellow - Donovan
    Happy Together - The Turtles

    So, I suppose, because of that, it should come as no real surprise that it was also a big year for ‘sleepers’ – albums that went relatively unnoticed, but later emerged as hugely important or influential.

    The Piper at the Gates of Dawn - Pink Floyd
    The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground
    The Grateful Dead - The Grateful Dead
    Big Brother & the Holding Company- Big Brother and the Holding Company
    Absolutely Free - The Mothers of Invention
    Safe as Milk - Captain Beefheart
    Odessey and Oracle – The Zombies (recorded In 1967, but released the next year).

    And probably the ultimate sleeper album was Dylan & The Band's 'The Basement Tapes' also recorded in 1967.

    This was also the year that Love released ‘Forever Changes’.

    I bought this album when I was sixteen, long after it was released. It was bought purely on a whim, as I’d never heard of Love. I was into music in a very big way, Brighton was twelve miles away and it had a bewhildering array of secondhand record shops, so I used to spend every Saturday trawling the streets and spending every single penny I could get my hands on in them. My record collection was pretty large and most days I used to walk to school with a stack of albums to lend to mates. But, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t get anyone interested in my big new find. This was special. It was important. People just had to hear this. They didn’t want to, though because, if I mentioned my Love album, their eyes would glaze over, thinking I’d flipped & was listening to some dodgy TV advertised K-Tel compilation made specially for middle class housewives!

    I’ve owned, perhaps, six or seven copies and it’s probably been the most important record in my life so far. It really is special & everyone should listen to it properly at least once.

    By 1967, Love gigs were a pretty regular event in Los Angeles, but hardly anywhere else. They’d released two albums – ‘Love’ and, earlier that year, ‘Da Capo’
    On the Elektra label, they’d had a minor hit single in 1966 with Burt Bacharach's ‘My Little Red Book.’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIe1B...eature=related

    The first album, Love, was released in May 1966, heavily influenced by The Byrds and sold reasonably well, reaching 57 on the US album charts. That August, they released another single ‘7 and 7 Is’ which was to be their highest charting effort at number 33. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkZn...eature=related This was later covered by Alice Cooper, Rush and Robert Plant, among others. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOw8d...eature=related
    It came from ‘Da Capo’ a much more ambitious, but for me, less satisfying album than the first – probably due to the over-indulgent side long track ‘Revelation’.
    With that, the band were on the verge of breaking up. However, they were still commited to producing a third album, and a crew of session musicians were lined up to back the two songwriters Arthur Lee and Brian MacLean. Neil Young was going to co-produce with Elektra’s house producer, Bruce Botnick. Two tracks were laid down like this, but then the rest of the band came to their senses & helped out to finish the album and put some overdubs on the existing tracks. Neil Young was long gone due to Buffalo Springfield commitments but apparently stayed long enough to carry out the arrangements on ‘The Daily Planet’ . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0ku7zVZ0U
    The album sold quite well in the UK ( number 24) and pretty badly in the US (worse that number 150) and there was a minor hit single with ‘Alone Again Or’ – written by MacLean as ‘Alone Again’ and ‘got at’ by Arthur Lee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tQspFesT3E

    This was later covered by bands as diverse as
    The Damned (on ‘Anything’) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6RqcEuxY_Q
    Calexico http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o14hqYc96gE
    and UFO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDKHG...eature=related

    The band failed to capitalise on its success due to Lee’s reticence to perform outside LA – a crying shame. And, disappointed with the lack of success at home, they finally parted company. Arthur Lee carried on with the Love name for years afterwards, but never reached the perfection of this album.

    So, what’s the album like?

    Good question! – It’s got impenetrable song titles, cryptic lyrics, stop/start/direction changing melodies and rhythms, mariachi brass, strings with political commentary and themes verging on the suicidally depressing. Based on that description alone, most people would run a mile, and only a very few would be intrigued enough to take a listen!

    It’s complex and ambitious, succeeding here, where the previous album failed. It also has quite a strong acoustic flavour with unamplified guitars often to the forefront of the mix. Lyrically, it’s a perfect mirror of the summer of 1967.

    Vietnam:
    ‘A House Is Not a Motel’ – recounting a conversation with a veteran’s description of the war
    The news today will be the movies for tomorrow.
    And the water's turned to blood,
    And if it's mixed with mud
    You'll see it turn to grey
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k16sCBq1cO8

    ‘The Red Telephone’ – dealing with the madness of a world in which a President can summon slaughter by picking up the phone.
    Sitting on a hillside
    Watching all the people die
    I’ll feel much better on the other side
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpsphN4Q5TM

    While talking about writing this song Arthur Lee said that he felt like he was going to die & this album would be his last statement. This is echoed in Greil Marcus' book 'Invisible Republic - Bob Dylan's Basement Tapes':
    ........The summer of love, all insisted, in their different ways, on the year 1967 as Millenium or Apocalypse, or both. The year "America fell apart", Newt Gingrich has said; "deserter's songs", a sceptic called the basement tapes in 1994, catching an echo of a few people holed up to wait out the end of the world.......

    Carefree hippiedom:
    ‘The Good Humor Man He Sees Everything Like This’
    Summertime's here and look over there
    Flowers everywhere in the morning,
    In the morning .....La da da."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_IEaY_AVxU

    Arthur Lee led a troubled life and was a control freak, but he created something really special with this album and enjoyed the experience of seeing it more widely appreciated when he toured just a few years ago. There’s a DVD of one of the gigs, which is essential (and in some ways it flows better than the original recording), if only for the most sublime use of strings and brass in the context of rock music. Try watching my favourite track from this, ‘Maybe the People Would Be the Times Or Between Clark and Hilldale’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa32txV5nDk (It has the guitar solo that made me want to learn how to play), ‘Old Man’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZNE7YQRKU , or ‘You Set the Scene’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Srbx...om=PL&index=53



    The album was the subject of an Early Day Motion in the House of Commons, where it was voted the greatest album of all time! So it’s official. In fact it’s in the constitution!– you really need to hear it.

    Arthur Lee: RIP
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    Chris, once again an excellent piece! You really are making it difficult for us to follow with appreciations of our own.

    It is amazing how influential this album was; several of my student friends had copies. And what a seminal debut it was - successive albums never matched it; I'm thinking of 'Da Capo' and 'Out Here'.

    A few months ago I had a clear out of several LPs of which I had CD copies. 'Forever Changes' was one of them. Based on something you wrote about this record (can't remember the thread), I went round to the guy to whom I had given the LPs and asked for it back. Fortunately he had not listened to it, so readily agreed.

    The CD copy I have is WSM 8122-73537-2. It has 7 extra tracks. I understand that there is a new remastered version. Do you have it and if so, can you tell me the number.

    I take it you have the Arthur Lee solo CD (can't remember the title, but he is doing Love numbers and the cover has a painting of Lee done in the same style as that of Forever Changes).

    Regards
    Barry

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    Thank you Chris a wonderful piece of writing and a pleasure to read as usual
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    Quote Originally Posted by barry.d.hunt View Post
    A few months ago I had a clear out of several LPs of which I had CD copies. 'Forever Changes' was one of them. Based on something you wrote about this record (can't remember the thread), I went round to the guy to whom I had given the LPs and asked for it back. Fortunately he had not listened to it, so readily agreed.

    The CD copy I have is WSM 8122-73537-2. It has 7 extra tracks. I understand that there is a new remastered version. Do you have it and if so, can you tell me the number.
    You had a lucky escape there Barry!

    The issues are/were:

    Title, Format Label Cat# Country Year
    Forever Changes (LP, Album) Elektra EKS-74013 US

    Forever Changes (LP, Album) Elektra EKS 74013 US 1967

    Forever Changes (LP, Album) Elektra EKS 74013 Canada 1967

    Forever Changes (LP, Mono) Elektra EKL 4013 UK 1967

    Forever Changes (LP, Album) Elektra K 42015 UK 1971

    Forever Changes (LP, Album) Elektra K 42015 Germany, Austria, & Switzerland 1971

    Forever Changes (CD) Elektra, Asylum Records 7559-60656-2 US 1987

    Forever Changes (CD, Album) Elektra 960 656-2 Germany 1987

    Forever Changes (CD) Elektra 8122-73537-2 UK 2001

    Forever Changes (CD, Album, RM, RE) Elektra/Rhino R2 76717 US 2001

    Forever Changes (LP, Album, RE) Sundazed LP 5102 US 2001

    Forever Changes (Collector's Edition) (2xCD, Album, RE) Elektra/Rhino R2 428796 US 2008

    Forever Changes (CD, Album, Promo) Rhino UPLOVE001, none UK 2008


    http://www.discogs.com/Love-Forever-Changes/master/6215


    The Rhino collector's edition is the remastered one. The Sundazed vinyl is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barry.d.hunt View Post
    I take it you have the Arthur Lee solo CD (can't remember the title, but he is doing Love numbers and the cover has a painting of Lee done in the same style as that of Forever Changes).
    Barry,
    No I don't have that - I'm not sure what it's called either. The only solo album I know is 'Vindicator' from 1972. I've only heard it a couple of times & have been looking for a decent copy for years. I understand it's available again though (Beat Goes On label). From memory it's a good bit more blues orientated than a lot of the Love material - There's one track that he played quite a bit with later incarnations of Love called 'Everybody Gotta Live'. There's a live version of it on 'Love - Electrically Speaking - Live In Concert' that turns into 'Instant Kharma'.

    Other solo albums are:
    Black Beauty (1973), More Changes (1977), Arthur Lee (1981)

    What I do have of great interest (to me anyway), is 'Ifyoubelievein' by Bryan Maclean, which includes 'Old Man' and 'Alone Again Or' (twice) tracks from 'Forever Changes' recorded solo (as I guess he meant them to sound) in 1967 & 'Orange Skies' (twice) from 1966.
    That's on Sundazed.

    Other Love stuff I have is:
    Love (1966)
    Da Capo (1967)
    Four Sail (1969)
    Out Here (1969)
    False Start (1970) - Notable for the opening track 'The Everlasting First' which has Jimi Hendrix playing on it.
    Reel to Real (1974)
    Love Live (1982)
    The Forever Changes Concert (2003)

    And the DVD's:
    Love Story - great documentary
    The Forever Changes Concert

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    ..........Oh, I forgot this one:

    'Five String Serenade' on Munster Records (!?)
    The heaviest gauge vinyl I've ever seen 220g!

    .........the music is perhaps not quite so impressive though!

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    i was introduced to 'love, forever changes' by a a good mate of mines father.
    he used to play it in the car when he used to drive us out to and back from the tenis club we used to loiter about in when we were about 15.
    i never knew what the album was called and forgot what he told me the band was called all i remembered was the front of the cd case, quite memerable as it is...
    about 5 years ago i bought the cd on a whim, i couldnt remember why i recognised it until i got home and it all came flooding back

    i literally play this album to everyone who hasnt heard it before, i have bought it for people for birthday presents even when i know they dont know what it is in the hope they will like it

    my favorite track is "you set the scene" i love the strings in it
    i love the line "there are people wearing frowns who will screw you up but theyed rather screw you down"

    i put this album in a special little group of albums including
    'god shuffled his feet' crash test dummies
    'grace' by jeff buckley
    'siamees dream' by the smashing pumkins
    'presidents of the united states of america' by presidents of the united states of america

    there are a good few more but i wont list them all, its a point im trying to make! they are the albums i always turn to when i want something thats to me is almost faultless and always a pleasure to listen to, the albums i know inside out!

    this is also i would say the album that most makes me wish i was born earlier so i could experience it when it was contempory

    ...

    i am interested to learn there is a remasterd version
    i currently have the version with the extra tracks and on heavy vinyl of some ilk but i would not hesitate to buy it again a good few times over if there were benefits

    .....did i mention i like this album......

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    Hamish,

    Quote Originally Posted by hamish_gill View Post
    i literally play this album to everyone who hasnt heard it before, i have bought it for people for birthday presents even when i know they dont know what it is in the hope they will like it!
    The only person I've ever known to hear it & not like it is my daughter - but that's probably because of over-exposure! One day, in years to come, I'm sure she'll buy it out of nostalgia for her childhood!!

    i put this album in a special little group of albums including
    'god shuffled his feet' crash test dummies
    'grace' by jeff buckley
    'siamees dream' by the smashing pumkins
    'presidents of the united states of america' by presidents of the united states of america
    Sounds like a list of great albums. I've not heard the Presidents.... before, so I've just got it up on Spotify - I'll give it a go, thanks!

    i am interested to learn there is a remasterd version
    i currently have the version with the extra tracks and on heavy vinyl of some ilk but i would not hesitate to buy it again a good few times over if there were benefits
    The Rhino remaster has an extra disc with alternate takes. I've never listened to compare the job they did on the remastering, but I can't say it struck me as being vastly different/better.

    Cheers

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    the presedents are fantastic, a bit silly sometimes but deceptivly witty lyrically and on occation deceptivly meloncolly
    all the songs for me at least are compulsive listening and never get boring for the fact they are little storys
    start with the first album and work your way through
    imo the first two are the best

    the whole of the first album is a great listen, i particuly like 'naked and famous' and 'boll weavel'

    there is also a cover of 'kick out the jams' the mc5 song

    'mach 5' is a great track on the second album

    there is a cover of 'video killed the radio star' by the buggels on pure frostings

    and then 'Headin' Out' is the track of choise on freaked out and small

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    I enjoyed it & I'll be seeking out a copy, I think.

    I noted the influence of The New York Dolls in the backing vocals (themselves, influenced by the 60's female vocal groups) - especially in Candy Cigarette.

    Love the lyrics to Peaches!!!

    Moving to the country, I'm gonna eat a lot of peaches
    Peaches come from a can, they were put there by a man
    In a factory downtown
    If I had my little way I'd eat peaches everyday
    Sun soaking bulges in the shade
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