Richard's hi-fi ranting 'Room 101'

[Mike Reed]

Ours crossed in the post, J.C. Don't take things so seriously (that's an assumption). Haven't read Marco's notice yet, though, as I do get carried away by this literary exchange.

[Marco]

It's just a ban under another name.

not a good approach.

It leaves every one free to discuss to discuss Nene Valley Audio and Pure sound, as much as they like.

This places a label on the forum and it's members of the most offensive kind and suggests they are simply not prepared to debate on an equal footing, and are relegated to the fan club of a person like Richard.

I am afraid that I cannot be associated with such mentally unhealthy practices and would not wish anyone to regard me as associated with such actionor such a forum.

You got this one wrong Marco. Good bye.

jc,

As you wish. You've just shown your true colours.



Now, folks, let's get back to normal!

Marco.

[Marco]

Keep up the good work, chaps. This thread may disappear into the wilderness in early course, but not before a few laughs have been had.

Now there's a thought; a ranting moderator. Throw convention to the wind, Marco!

It's an interesting idea, Mike, but unfortunately we don't know Richard well enough yet, and I'm not sure he'd want the responsibility.

Anyway, I'm sure he will be too busy thinking up lots of new subjects to rant about now he's 'free' (in this room) of the attentions of his two friends!

Marco.

[Ashley James]

I don't think he has, I think what he's said is true and I've had enough too.

You've allowed yourself to be dictated to by others with commercial interests and who might actually gain something from this Forum, ultimately at its expense.

I've made the points I think relevant elsewhere so, other than to say good bye, I suggest that this leaves you with a narrow and dull remit for a Forum. By that I do not imply that AVI is the loss, just the knowledge, the experience and the contacts we have and the people it may attract. In the ordinary course of events it wouldn't amount to much, but by comparison with Pure Sound and NVA, we are Titans!

[jcbrum]

Marco, I detect regret in your post,

I am proud of my "true colours" in that I say what I believe and am not beholden to anyone.

That is no longer the situation for any member on this forum.

You made the wrong decision, and no self respecting person can now be associated with this forum. It taints every one.

You could think again, but until then I'm gone. bye bye.

[WikiBoy]

Well now the dogs of marketing seem to have pissed up their last tree (thread), I think a small period of peace and quiet reflection is due.

BUT be scared, be very scared. THE RANT WILL BE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve Toy]

I am very disappointed by Ashley's and JC's decision to leave The Art of Sound as it confirms that they really did only intended to misuse this place to turn every thread they posted on into an ADM9s infomercial.

We were hoping for considerably more depth and breadth from their contributions that could be drawn from their vast knowledge and experience of both hi-fi and life in general.

I do genuinely wish you all the best with ADM9s. You certainly don't need to endlessly market (plug) them here on what is still a small commiunity and one that could all too easily be completely dominated by the kind of product and marketing style that is somewhat at odds with our ethos and flavour.

I appreciate that you've generated more traffic but road accidents often have a similar effect.

You made the wrong decision, and no self respecting person can now be associated with this forum. It taints every one.

There is nothing like burning ones bridges.

[Marco]

I am in total agreement with Steve.

The most pertinent observation is that faced with the choice of not being able to discuss AVI but remaining to discuss other relevant subjects both chose to go, which says everything you need to know about their (supposed) commitment to 'improve' the forum!

However, neither of them are banned and are welcome to return (and observe the rules) if they wish.

Unless Rob has got anything further to add, this is the last word on the matter and any further input on this subject from the 'AVI boys' will be removed.

Richard,

I look forward to many more rants in due course!

Marco.

[Filterlab]

... it confirms that they really did only intended to misuse this place to turn every thread they posted on into an ADM9s infomercial....

Unless Rob has got anything further to add, this is the last word on the matter and any further input on this subject from the 'AVI boys' will be removed.

Sorry Steve and Marco, but I have to disagree. JC is simply a happy customer who auditioned many manufacturer's hardware and settled on AVI. If he can't rave about how good it is on a hi-fi forum then where can he? Ashley has, as far as I have read, not used this forum to turn every thread into an AVI 'informercial' at all, he's simply (and quite rightly) discussing his angle on hi-fi and AVI's products as a result.

Remember that when we invite manufacturers to join, we tell them that they may promote their products at will. What good is it if we suddenly decide to remove that offer once they start talking about them? Also if we have to place a ban on discussing AVI products, then surely we have to place a ban on talking about ANY manufacturers products. Mmmm, great basis for a hi-fi forum and does it not completely go against the very fabric of our original intentions for The Art of Sound?

I have purposely avoided coming on whilst this thread has been growing, I wanted to let it run its natural course and see the result. The result is as posted in the Notice Board section which was a little unexpected to say the least bearing in mind the excellent relationship we have with our trade members. Personally I think it's a mistake, but then we can't all agree 100% of the time.

That's my penneth worth, for what it is worth.

[jandl100]

Well done - result!

I'd welcome Ashley back to hear his general views on things hifi & music - he at least was polite - but to be honest I'd ban his side-kick for being a totally obnoxious narrow-minded git (and that's wording it politely).

Back to things hifi ..... I'm just about to start a new thread.