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  1. #31
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    Hi Marco

    Not read all this thread (lazy git I am) but the Tannoy Berkley's were the first proper speakers I owned, and still have fond memories of them, or more specifically the Duel Concentric’s. A mate of mine until recently had a pair of the Super Red's and they still did it for me. Though the Monitor Gold's are the one's to go for I think

    I had a good listen to the big Tannoys at the Mega Bake Off earlier this year. They were everything I remembered and loved.

    Have fun in your search, if they do it for you, there is nothing better.

    Enjoy

    Andy - SDDW
    HV Electrical Engineer - SAF (Sustainable Aviation Fuel) Plant

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    Cheers, Andy! In your experience, what's the difference between the Reds, 'Super Reds' (I presume these are the later ones with stiffened cone baskets?) and the Golds?

    I'll probably have the option of either the later 15" Reds or Golds, so either you and/or or someone else give me some good reasons why I should go for one or the other!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I do already, dahling... You should see me shtrutting my shtuff on a Saturday night in my sequined blouson, shlinky silk chemise and leather hotpants, sporting more than a cheeky wee grin

    Mikey, if 'all-retro' sounds like this then sock it to me baby!

    Marco.
    Bet the sheep around Treludden are worried!
    Wish there was a smilie of a trans drinking a Babycham ...with a cherry on a stick!
    Last edited by SP10; 17-05-2009 at 22:52. Reason: spelling

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    Hehehe... I think my neighbours will have more to worry about than the sheep when I become a 'big-boy' Tannoyista! Mind you, you'll probably be able to hear them in the valleys!! I'm looking forward to 30W Class A P/P into 95db 15" drivers

    'The hills are alive with the sound of music', indeed...

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  5. #35
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    Hi Marco

    Most of my listening has been with the HPD type drivers, in comparison these can be a touch un-refined, only had a listen to the Super Reds in a studio situation, and they were in a fairly near field monitor position. But they were excellent, great very large scale of sound, and quite extended frequency range. Considering these were listened to at close positions they really were good. A lot better than the HPD drives in Cheviot cabinets that were an alternative in the studio.

    The Gold drivers are the ones to go for, these are what ended up in the studio, my mate was looking for accuracy but I was listening for musicality, we were both satisfied with the sound and enjoyed the results presented. to sum them up, very musical, satisfying, great scale of sound, fantastic with all vocals but they just it all just right. You can live with these for ever and never get sick of listening to them. After listening to I should co co's at the big bash, that just confirmed how good these speaker are, and most very underrated too.

    If you would like the ultimate, try and find the Dreadnoughts. I got a brief listen to these in an un-familiar room, but flip me were they good, all the best bits of all the Tannoy range put together in one blooming massive cabinet, if you can accommodate them, buy them you won't regret it honest.

    Have fun,

    Andy - SDDW
    HV Electrical Engineer - SAF (Sustainable Aviation Fuel) Plant

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    Marco,
    I've been using a pair of Tannoy DMT 15's for a few years now and certainly don't plan to change them.

    Nice choice if you go for it.

    s

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    Hi Shahsy,

    The options available at the moment are 'Lockwood Majors', see here (and also read the homepage for more info):

    http://server15.sitewizard.co.uk/sit...kwood4_lrg.jpg

    with either 15" Monitor Golds or Super Reds - plus the cabinets are sealed units, not a front-ported reflex design as in the advert.

    I have high hopes for these given that if you read here: http://44bx.com/tannoy/history.html

    ...you'll find this, which is particularly interesting:

    What the world did not grasp was that most recorded music available was being produced on the Tannoy Dual Concentric using either Monitor Red's or Monitor Gold's. All the music at EMI including Abbey Road and most of the Decca Classical output was produced using Tannoy loudspeakers.

    Such models as the Lockwood Major, Lockwood Universal played a very significant part in the development of the world's recorded music as these were bought almost entirely by the professional studios. For example, most of the successful records made by Mickey Most at RAK Records were produced on Lockwood Monitors with Tannoy Dual Concentric drivers.
    Yummy - now that sounds very tempting! As ever though, the proof of the pudding will be in the listening...

    Other options are 15" Monitor Golds or Super Reds in York or modern replica corner GRF cabinets.

    Oh, decisions decisions!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post

    Other options are 15" Monitor Golds or Super Reds in York or modern replica corner GRF cabinets.
    If Golds in GRF cabs is really an option, I'd take that straight away. Pete's rectangular GRF's are nice but the corner ones (repro or not) are the real deal (if you can get them up the stairs & into your room!)
    Last edited by pure sound; 20-05-2009 at 15:34.

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    Hi Guy,

    It is one of my options - all will be thoroughly listened to and (hopefully) an informed decision made

    It's your mate Chrissy-boy with the 'big lugs' we're going to see

    Yes, getting them (what ever 'they' will be) up the stairs is going to be the most 'interesting' bit!

    What's your view on Gold vs. Reds? I'm trying to get a handle on which is 'superior' in an audio sense, and in what cabinet. I'm not interested in value attached to antiquity/rarity or 'desirability', like hard-core 'Tannoyistas', particularly from Japan. I just want the biggest bang for my buck - ultimate performance is all that matters.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  10. #40
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    Chris is the chap to give a valid opinion on the relative merits of Reds & Golds. I don't think I've knowingly listened to any Reds. There is information online outlining the differences & I suspect such differences that they are will mean that perhaps Reds suit one style of cabinet better than Golds & vice versa with another cabinet type.

    Either way if you choose with your ears (and from the good starting point that either type of driver offers) you shouldn't go far wrong. The rectangular GRF's are certainly a deal more manageable in terms of size than the corner units but must miss out on a little LF extension. Either will give far better coupling to a room than any reflex loaded arrangement and would be my preferred choice as a result. Again, perhaps not quite as much bass extension as a ported design but what there was would be much more natural sounding as the driver excursion will always be less for a given spl.

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