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    Yesterday I had a mini session round at John's to hear some more of what he has achieved with digital streaming, some of which I had had a taste of when he brought his gear round to mine (a memorable eye opening). John's system is very different in components from mine, and yet quite close in its acoustic presentation. My system is very traditional media (records and silver discs), John's is virtually all file-based.

    John will be able to give chapter and verse on his kit, suffice to say that it's quite a simple setup: a twin laptop approach, running JPlay, feeding his USB DAC (I forget the name), into a Behringer DSP amp which splits the mid/treble off to a T-Amp and performs room correction and bass duties into the bass drivers of his speakers. The speakers are dual 15" driver open baffle Hawthornes.

    The dual laptop thing needs explaining: one laptop runs JPlay in hibernate mode, receives the stream via ethernet and outputs it to USB. No file access as such so a very cleanly timed system which I think is the secret to superb replay. The second laptop also runs JPlay and accesses the file library, allows selection and then streams it to the first laptop.

    So how does it all sound? Very immediate with incredible attack - those good characteristics of horn speakers without the cuppy colourations. Smooth and liquid with not a hint of harshness, quite an achievement in view of its strong dynamics. The flow of rhythms is to the fore and they do a very good job with female vocals (I brought along my favourite female test tracks on a USB stick). Hi-res tracks are played with no change in the presentation save for finer detail. A converse way of putting it is that standard 16/44 CD rips sound very good indeed, losing nothing at all compared with playing them in a CD spinner. Bass in John's small room is tight and controlled and very punchy. It's hard to think that a T-Amp is putting out all that mid power; remarkable!

    We switched to classical and the sense of scale was still there. They played Vivaldi with gusto and confirmed to me that this is a great system irrespective of musical style. Of course, John's system is focussed on his preference for strong guitar-based music, we all to a greater or less degree direct our component selection in the direction of our musical tastes, but I didn't hear one track played badly during this session.

    I had brought round some files that I had ripped from CD and then upsampled to 24/96 with noise shaped dither using the SOX utility. Comparing the 16/44 originals with the 24/96 upsamples was fascinating and we both agreed that the upsampled files had the edge in instrumental definition and lack of harshness in presentation. Fascinating!

    We discussed air and space and agreed that perhaps the next step for John might be to add supertweeters to his speakers, just to lift the mid/treble transparency up even further.

    We did compare the sound with just the one laptop running JPlay, and it took a small but notable hit in sound quality, so John has done well to develop the twin PC approach. I wonder whether a small fanless ITX PC build with enough SSD just to boot Windows 8 and JPlay, for streaming duties, might replace his hibernating laptop and could be placed right next to the DAC with a short USB cable? Food for thought.

    Mentioning food, we took a break at the local Mexican, which gave us a chance to talk music bollocks for an entertaining interlude. An overall very enjoyable visit, and I can say with absolute certainty that this is the best file-based system I've ever heard. Thanks, John.
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    It sounds like you two had a fun and interesting time - Bits and burritos?

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    Sounds like a great evening. The SOX thing is interesting,
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    I was really impressed with the SOX software It basically upscales the music file: what it did was to allow you deeper into the music giving more detail and air. We came to the conclusion that it allows the DAC to pick up what is going on deeper in the mix.
    We also played the Salvation which we both agree sounded excellent just using a £50 cartridge that has to be heard that to be believed. It was good that Martin could hear the TT properly set up this time.
    Martin brought some nice wine around
    All in all educational to both of us and of course good fun.
    One of my theories is we have set ups that highlights our own preferences at this level and mine is set up to get the best the best out of guitar based music and world music.
    Just a bit of background to the set up
    The amp is a Bantam board I am using a slagle volume control with the amp set on high gain to give me a bit more grunt. This goes into the duel concentric driver. I then send a signal from the amp to the Berhinger, I cut out the bass around 57 and use a soft slope cut off to control the bass. I have also added a bit of gain lower down so it pushes out the bass a bit more. (I do like a bit of attack) The DAC is the JK32 a great little DAC that picks up loads of detail. The Salvation uses a Acutex 415 STR cartridge that is great for rock and gives a bit more bass than my 2 pc set up and is very similar throughout the rest of the range as the pc set up.
    I agree with Martin the next step would be to add a super tweeter. Our systems are similar in scale but because of Beryllium drivers his system has bit more air than mine whilst mine a bit more attack (but just our personal tastes showing up in our systems) We also talked about how some people like this sense of resolution whilst others shy away from it.
    One of the amusing chats we had is how my bass pushes out but does not thump, whilst Martin speakers does the thump and also pushes out. We both like music to be felt in the body
    I think what I most pleased with is that using a alternative method eg Tamp active bass and open baffle speakers I can get great sounds
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    Aye, once you hear OB's and like them, it's difficult to go back tobox speakers. Your system sounds broadly similar to mine John, shame we are so far apart, it would be good to compare.

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    Yes would love to hear your speakers Ali
    I love what good OB do: its shame more people do not give them a go
    Loves anything from Pain of Salvation to Jeff Buckley to Django to Sarasate to Surinder Sandhu to Shawn Lane to Nick Drake to Rush to Beth Hart to Kate Bush to Rodrigo Y Gabriela to The Hellecasters to Dark Sanctury to Ben Harper to Karicus to Dream Theater to Zero Hour to Al DiMeola to Larry Carlton to Derek Trucks to Govt Mule to?

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    Not the highest WAF though!

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    Yes agree but no denying there something that big speakers bring to the party
    Loves anything from Pain of Salvation to Jeff Buckley to Django to Sarasate to Surinder Sandhu to Shawn Lane to Nick Drake to Rush to Beth Hart to Kate Bush to Rodrigo Y Gabriela to The Hellecasters to Dark Sanctury to Ben Harper to Karicus to Dream Theater to Zero Hour to Al DiMeola to Larry Carlton to Derek Trucks to Govt Mule to?

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    Aye definitely. No substitute for square inches!

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    I'll try pub one day I think, when we be got a big enough listening room!

    Sounds like you had an interesting time!

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