Richard's hi-fi ranting 'Room 101'

[Marco]

Good stuff here, chaps.

I'm not taking sides, or commenting on anything that's been written (yet), but just to let everyone know that this is Richard 'ranting room', so he's in charge and can discuss pretty much any subject he likes. Comments are welcome from everyone, though.

Keep it civil and don't abuse the privilege that's been given. I will intervene and take action if I see any personal insults being traded!

Let's keep arguments centred solely on the subject matter (hi-fi or whatever).

Marco.

[jcbrum]

Ah! the discussion ends and the veiled insults begin,

the last resort of the fool who has nothing intelligent to say - ad hominem!

Well, I considered my remark to be "fair comment".

It isn't my last resort.

I don't have any problem with intelligence in most circumstances.

I looked at your ebay-trader website.

I would not consider a 30 watt amp to be usable because of the clipping problem on peaks. I would consider 100w to be ok and 200w adequate.

On such equipment as this you seem to be more expensive than Ashley's co, and his kit is better made and looks nicer. That's why I bought it.

Also he's not grumpy, and buy's your lunch. I don't mind if the price of that goes on the product, I think it's a very pleasant and informative day out at the AVI factory.

Do you offer the same facilities ?

[jcbrum]

Quite definitely, that is how the industry started, it is how I started. It all came about because of the post war government surplus in electronic components. Old bomber radar sets that could be converted into a tele. Green screen but part of the fun. Designers didn't design for finished products they designed for the home builder, like Williamson. As people got more money the market started to get more sofisticated, shops appeared with suited salemen selling Leak and Quad valve amps. Everything was fixed price no one sold anything discount, manufacturers went through wholesellers and wholesellers supplied retailers. Retail price maintenance was part of the system. That ended mid 60's, POP happened, then Rock happened etc, discounters appeared and the market took off. G.W.Smith and co, Laskys, Henry's etc all the old Guv surplus guys jumped on it, but not very professionally, so Comet appeared and finished a lot of them off. Cheap gear for the maases appeared from the likes of Amstrad, who started by building a plinth and plastic cover for the Garrard SP25s. Cheap amps, and even kits kept on going with Sinclair amps. I know I sold them all.

I then went to work for Acoustic Research and discovered the wonderfull world of marketing, being marketing manager for Teac and Tascam they were importing, so believe me I have had first hand knowledge of the lies and bullshit process. But you know what Jesus said give me your repentant sinner

As this thread has been about, the wheel has turned, we are nearly back full circle. A receeding market going back to its roots, enthusiasts - even some who can use a soldering iron. Geeks with solder burns in their trousers

Much of this is a good attempt at compressing hifi evolution into a few sentences.

It does not however properly hi-light the importance of stuff like Quad, particularly ESL's, which were far from the realms of the home constructor, or the products of Studer-Revox with their superbly engineered machines.

I for one prefer a highly developed, sophisticated product like the ADM9 active loudspeaker/DAC, which could not possibly be made or set up by a home constructor. It is incredibly good value for money. You only need a laptop and ADM9's for a complete hifi system with incredibly high performance, and all for £1000, inc lunch.

Evolution leads to sophistication you know.

[WikiBoy]

Well, I considered my remark to be "fair comment".

It isn't my last resort.

I don't have any problem with intelligence in most circumstances.

I looked at your ebay-trader website.

I would not consider a 30 watt amp to be usable because of the clipping problem on peaks. I would consider 100w to be ok and 200w adequate.

On such equipment as this you seem to be more expensive than Ashley's co, and his kit is better made and looks nicer. That's why I bought it.

Also he's not grumpy, and buy's your lunch. I don't mind if the price of that goes on the product, I think it's a very pleasant and informative day out at the AVI factory.

Do you offer the same facilities ?

Bullshit bullshit bullit, AVI - Boxes - Better - Me, Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

This is all you have got, where is the principle of this discussion Mr Amateur marketing man. It all has to change to you and how clever you are to make such tastefull and astute choices.

[WikiBoy]

Much of this is a good attempt at compressing hifi evolution into a few sentences.

It does not however properly hi-light the importance of stuff like Quad, particularly ESL's, which were far from the realms of the home constructor, or the products of Studer-Revox with their superbly engineered machines.

I for one prefer a highly developed, sophisticated product like the ADM9 active loudspeaker/DAC, which could not possibly be made or set up by a home constructor. It is incredibly good value for money. You only need a laptop and ADM9's for a complete hifi system with incredibly high performance, and all for £1000, inc lunch.

Evolution leads to sophistication you know.

Will you please piss off with your AVI bullshit, you are worse than Ashley, or perhaps you want his job. If I start compaining about my breakfast (it is my ranting room as you have been told) would you say it is because I don't own AVI. This is just pathetic and you are making a fool of yourself.

[jcbrum]

I suppose I might be worse than Ashley, but I think you are being unfair in (politely) asking me to piss off. You do post on a "forum" which presumably indicates you invite response and debate ?

I don't want Ashley's or anyones job, I have enough to keep me occupied thanks.

Just because it's your ranting room doesn't magically transform a rant into common sense, or even good advice. it's just that - a rant, probably spontaneous, emotional, and illogical nonsense.

To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I've made a fool of myself in better places than this !

As for pathetic, it seems to be sorting you out a bit !

[jcbrum]

p.s. since when has talking about Quad esl's and Revox stuff, been AVI bullshit ?

[WikiBoy]

I suppose I might be worse than Ashley, but I think you are being unfair in (politely) asking me to piss off. You do post on a "forum" which presumably indicates you invite response and debate ?

I don't want Ashley's or anyones job, I have enough to keep me occupied thanks.

Just because it's your ranting room doesn't magically transform a rant into common sense, or even good advice. it's just that - a rant, probably spontaneous, emotional, and illogical nonsense.

To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I've made a fool of myself in better places than this !

As for pathetic, it seems to be sorting you out a bit !

Blah blah blah blah

Look at me, look how clever I am, I am better than you, look how competitive I am, I am beating you, look at how I have turned this discussion into me and you and I am winning, look at how I can put my marketing into every post AVI AVI AVI AVI AVI AVI there you are I will do it for you.

Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ranting is fun and good therapy. In China they have made it into a business a way to work out your aggression, bars where you can pay to throw old China at a picture of your boss

You and Ashley have tried your best (working as a team per usual) to change this thread to your purposes, well success is relative and failure normally creeps up to bite yer bum when you least expect it. It is all just yin and yang.

[jcbrum]

I think you were the one going on about AVI, I was talking about Quad and Revox, obviously you consider them to be out of your league as well ?

I expect for a budget buy your customers will accept the concept of "separates" and "legacy products", but many will prefer a more "developed" solution, and less of a "yesteryear" product.

I bet your amp doesn't even have an iPod dock ?

[WikiBoy]

I think you were the one going on about AVI, I was talking about Quad and Revox, obviously you consider them to be out of your league as well ?

I expect for a budget buy your customers will accept the concept of "separates" and "legacy products", but many will prefer a more "developed" solution, and less of a "yesteryear" product.

I bet your amp doesn't even have an iPod dock ?

Un - bloody - believable

You don't see it do you, I am shouting at a brick wall, nothing goes in.