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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Indeed, Neal.

    But the point I'm making is that the reason it may need a little seasoning to bring out its "best" could be more to do with the preferences of your palate than the inherent quality of the food!

    As any chef of repute will tell you, the best ingredients speak for themselves without the need for artificial additives

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    Well quite...but who's talking of artificial...even the best food / ingredients still need seasoning...as any Chef of repute will tell you...the analogy is flawed.

    What was the point of this thread again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beechwoods View Post
    Would a 20 band graphic equaliser to add a bit of oomph count as well ??

    There is only one use for such a thing Target practice for EXTERMINATION.



    Regards D S D L
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure sound View Post
    I like orchestral & piano music. Can someone explain why a turntable that can't play either very well should even be considered as a reference point when there are so many around that will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    could be more to do with the preferences of your palette than the inherent quality of the food!
    Why would a flat wooden crate like structure care about the quality of food?
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    I'm unsure what 'issue' this thread is intended to get to the bottom of TBH!
    The "issue", or point of this thread, is essentially not to 'shoot the messenger' when the messenger is simply telling you the 'truth'

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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    Hi Guy, ya'll right ?

    Which turntable are you talking about ? You've lost me.

    Sorry about using the 'smiley' but Marco told me to use them whenever I can and I'm obeying orders.
    Hi Dave,

    Well, put it this way. It's not a NAS, Technics DD, Raven, Idler driven Garrard, Brinkmann, Kuzma, Verdier or SME to name but a few.

    All of the above can play piano & orchestral music without getting too muddled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    What a load off Crap anyone(with lots of TT setup experience)can set up a Linn, heck it was my first. I see Dave from your Avatar you don't have a Linn Jig....that rules you out of the game

    One of the best vinyl sounds from the past was a Notingham Mentor Reference which I heard at Vinyl Tube Audio in London WOW.

    I should have said that despite that Linn being very good I would not have had the gift of it. Don't shoot me...


    Regards D S D L
    Now listen 'ere sonny, I had a Linn jig, a Philips rubber mat with holes in to catch the bits and a special custom station at the back of the shop with all the bits readily to hand. Bearing in mind my employer was one of the biggest Linn dealers of all, the two shops getting through 20 LP12's a week at the time and around 50 assorted Rega's per month, we were in at the centre of the "Linn" crowd in the early eighties.....

    The height of the bar stool I sat on and the height of the station allowed me to do much of the donkey-work with the deck propped up on my forehead before final set-up in the jig, which I reckon has been thrown out now the shop I worked in for 17 years is B&O only now.

    In more recent years, the other Linn dealer I worked for had a more conventional arrangement, where all of the setup work had to be done with the LP12 in the jig. They did have the official Linn toolkit though and three yellow plastic component boxes with various arm and deck bits contained within (we had little wall mounted stack-a-bin things). I found the arm-cable dressing a bit fiddly done this way compared to my more intimate approach, but the Lp12 was a much simpler thing to set up by then (plinth much better made and the bolts and sub-chassis were set up true and parallel at the factory).

    Anyway, I think the old fruitbox has had enough exposure for one day..
    I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
    I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Homar View Post
    Why would a flat wooden crate like structure care about the quality of food?
    Indeed! I of course meant 'palate' - my wee brain only functions up until 6 o'clock

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Indeed! I of course meant 'palate' - my wee brain only functions up until 6 o'clock

    Marco.
    Blimey... I know the feeling. All too well in fact!
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