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    Default 1210's! The jury is out.

    I recently had the opportunity to listened to a fully modded Technics SL1210 in my system and it was really rather good. DD's tend to have that upbeat pace and grit that is sometimes welcome. however, my findings were that i was far more content with my belt driven Notts Analogue TT which has more body and soul. The 1210 is a sexy looking blighter no doubt and very boy racer to a point and it does what it does very well. But i can't help thinking that when i listen to music on my Nott's that is how it should sound. I have used a Nott's Analogue for over 12 years now and they just do what it says on the tin! They play music. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I think the jury is still out on the Technics. Hysterical snake oil methinks, a passing trend? My SL1500 is every bit as good sonically. Just to let you know, i have left the country for a while fearing reprisals. It's just fun guys remember, just fun!

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    The hyperspace is a hell of a nice TT , not surprised you prefer it , I spent an enjoyable afternoon at Kevin Scots , listening to a spacedeck some time ago now but I remember it well !

    Enjoy your Hyperspace .
    Chris

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    Steve youv'e upset the applecart there...

    You dare speak against the great poobah and all the disciples...

    The next few posts will tell you that your ears are the wrong shape and that you have to hear a 1210 in a proper system to hear the sonic benefits...


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    Hi Steve,

    LOL!

    I recently had the opportunity to listened to a fully modded Technics SL1210 in my system...
    When you say "fully modded", fully modded how (which modded bits were on it, including the arm and cartridge), and who's Techy was it your NA was being compared to - anyone we know?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    As an aside, with the amount that some have spent fully modifying a 1210, could the same money be spent modifying ANY TT to get the same sonic standard and it's all about the quality of the mods? Or is it only possible with a 1210?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Steve,

    LOL!



    When you say "fully modded", fully modded how (which modded bits were on it, including the arm and cartridge), and who's Techy was it your NA was being compared to - anyone we know?

    Marco.
    Come on Steve !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nat8808 View Post
    As an aside, with the amount that some have spent fully modifying a 1210, could the same money be spent modifying ANY TT to get the same sonic standard and it's all about the quality of the mods? Or is it only possible with a 1210?
    Very doubtful actually There are millions of 1200 series decks out there, so it's worth certain people devising mods for them as they are more than capable of excellent reproduction.

    The same can't really be said of other similar decks, I own an Aiwa AP2600 which will show a stock 1210 it's heels in the quality reproduction race. You try & find stuff to modify it though, you'd need to go totally bespoke, which would cost a fortune

    The only deck I can think of with so many possible upgrades is the LP12, but look at the price of the things
    Bests, Mark



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    As an aside, with the amount that some have spent fully modifying a 1210, could the same money be spent modifying ANY TT to get the same sonic standard and it's all about the quality of the mods? Or is it only possible with a 1210?
    Course not. Any T/T with the required sonic potential has the capability to benefit from judiciously executed modifications

    I'd love to hear a good SP10, after being suitably 'tweaked'! And look at the superb mods you can get now for Garrards, Lencos and TD124s!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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