Bargains on ebay?

[MartinT]

The Nak Dragon set is simply awesome

[Marco]

If you're going to spend that kind of cash for a vintage CDP, I'd go with this one or this if you don't have the rack space

The first Nak combo are freakin' awesome. Yes, I agree with you!

Marco.

[bogle111]

Was following these as a price guide
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-...item2c65d3f471
and
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-...item2570fa58c0
They are kinder to vinyl, though both have issues. A good one goes for quite a bit more though.

Bit like buses, you wait a long time then two come along!

[dave2010]

I've just won an eBay auction for a Marantz PM7200.

I've noticed that some auctions have "Warranties available" and some have "Returns accepted".

Has anyone round here ever tried (1) the warranties - do they work, and (2) re returns, does that give much protection?

I'll be picking up the kit, so can I refuse it if it's not in good condition?
I've bought quite a lot over the years, but not so much relatively expensive stuff, and I've only bought in person on a couple of occasions.

Also, I don't normally pay until I've had some sort of contact with the seller. Is that reasonable?

I'm not too worried as most eBay experiences I've had have been OK, but I wonder whether others have had experiences which would be worth sharing.

[Macca]

If the item is not as described then you are entitled to walk away from the deal. The warantee is offered by eBay not the seller and is pretty much worthless IMO.

[nat8808]

Don't care - I want it!

And I'll take this CD player to go with it....

Yamaha CDX-10000

Ooh yeah..

[nat8808]

Was following these as a price guide
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-...item2c65d3f471
and
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-...item2570fa58c0
They are kinder to vinyl, though both have issues. A good one goes for quite a bit more though.

Bit like buses, you wait a long time then two come along!

The one that was broken fetched a 40% higher price than the fully working one with worse photos... Just goes to show how much is down to presentation of the listing!

[nat8808]

I've just won an eBay auction for a Marantz PM7200.

I've noticed that some auctions have "Warranties available" and some have "Returns accepted".

Has anyone round here ever tried (1) the warranties - do they work, and (2) re returns, does that give much protection?

I'll be picking up the kit, so can I refuse it if it's not in good condition?
I've bought quite a lot over the years, but not so much relatively expensive stuff, and I've only bought in person on a couple of occasions.

Also, I don't normally pay until I've had some sort of contact with the seller. Is that reasonable?

I'm not too worried as most eBay experiences I've had have been OK, but I wonder whether others have had experiences which would be worth sharing.

Distance selling regulations means that any business selling items unseen must allow them to be returned and a refund given, no questions asked. This is bypassed though if you pick something up - so inspect it well if you do pick up in person.

That doesn't apply to real private sales (some private eBay users really are running businesses in the view of the law and tax etc so should really provide it) but many will say you can return it just to keep good feedback etc - decent thing to do etc.

The warranties as Martin says are probably worthless.. cant imagine their scope being very wide at all and especially not on old vintage gear. Warranty means a promise to repair as part of it - any vintage thing might be impossible to repair due to obsolete parts so I doubt any company would risk promissing to spend more than its worth to repair the item.

Some dealers will provide a 3 month guarantee which is just their promise that they'll give your money back if it unexpectedly stops working. Good business practice.

Perfectly fine to go to inspect the item and check if it is as described in the listing. Anything not up to the listing then you're free to walk away.

Or, if you really want the item, negotiate!

Basically eBay - as stated by their CEOs etc for legal reasons - is nothing more than a price negotiation. No sale is agreed to necessarily by using the site - that is a personal thing between the buyer and seller to arrange themselves.

If eBay sales were real sale contracts then eBay themselves would be open to being sued for anything going wrong with the sales or would leave them open to being sued for involvement in selling fake or stolen goods etc. Therefore, eBay is nothing more than a site that facilitates price negotiation with the sales, in their legal minds, taking place in private off the site.

Their T&Cs kind of imply that there is some kind of legal authority to their sales in order to force people into making things run smoother for them by voluntarily giving up their legal rights to comply with the T&Cs but in other situations they are obliged to stress that this isnt the case (in AGMs, court cases etc). Kind of applies with use of PayPal too - sales law in the UK says that it is illegal for a third party to interfere in a sales contract between two parties, including how payment is made. eBay T&Cs forces the seller to agree to sale terms if the buyer wants to use PayPal but I don't see the OFT doing much about this multi billion dollar multi-national...

So if you don't like the price achieved for something you sell, you are perfectly legally entitled to walk away from the price negotiation. eBay might not want you to continue to participate in their site for much longer but thats up to them..

Same applies as a buyer..

Other than that, it's down to social niceties... people have certain expectations of eBay and how it works and if those expectations arent met (as with any expectations, false or correct) people get angry. So in the end it's up to you to either appease these expectations for smoother and less stressful future use of the site or not.

[nat8808]

EMT turntable for only £155 !!

Whats that you say? ... it's nothing but a Thorens TD150 that normall sells for £30? The title is some kind of attention grabbing spin you say? Hasn't even got a plinth you say?

[nat8808]

Some original Harbeth stands for 7ES..

Might be a nice find for Harbeth owner who likes things to be more complete..