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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Soz, you've lost me there, matey....

    Marco.
    >if you're happy with how the cables sound 'as is',

    How many of the present company would be ?
    Can't see Martin being happy especially after that open mouth comparison to the super duper plugs
    The only thing is the price of course.
    Was it £200 a single plug ?
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    Lol... No, no - nothing like that. For the WBTs, I think around £155 for two. I'm not sure about the Eichmanns, but I think they're quite a bit less.

    In fact, on checking, definitely quite a bit less: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eichmann-S...item35bc46ff09

    I'm unsure which are best, as I've never tested them against each other. I guess that the WBTs might be better in an environment where high levels of EMI exist, due to the protection offered by their alloy-made barrels. However, the Eichmanns, being an all-plastic construction (or "glass impregnated moulded polymer", as they call it), other than the fine silver conductors used, due to their unique overall construction, may otherwise be best.

    Interesting article here on the Eichmanns: http://twogoodears.blogspot.co.uk/20...ugs-among.html

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

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    So, just to return briefly to the original question Marco & those others who have tried it:

    Ignoring the other, more expensive options from you have tried from Yannis, is the 428Phono a 'giant-killing' tonearm cable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... No, no - nothing like that. For the WBTs, I think around £155 for two. I'm not sure about the Eichmanns, but I think they're quite a bit less.

    Marco.
    That's good news. Takes them from
    "a bit too much"
    to
    "hmm, too much but maybe......"

    Wonder if we can persuade someone to tool up for this......
    The moulds probably exist in various places, just change the input material ?
    Net cost when producing 1000s must be around 10p max
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMusic View Post
    How does that work ?
    Can you swap or do you have to buy another ?
    I'll just buy another. Won't have any problems moving TQ cable on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    I'll just buy another. Won't have any problems moving TQ cable on.
    I look forward to hearing about the differences
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    Hi Chris,

    So, just to return briefly to the original question Marco & those others who have tried it:

    Ignoring the other, more expensive options from you have tried from Yannis, is the 428Phono a 'giant-killing' tonearm cable?
    Did you miss the following bit, from my post here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showp...&postcount=245 ?

    Only now, in response to the question of: 'Could this be a giant-killing tonearm cable?', I can answer with an affirmative 'YES', whether it be the entry-level 428 Phono, from Yannis, or his quite exquisite sounding 423.5 Phono Litz (with Furutech DIN and Eichmann connectors). Both cables perform at a sonic level far in excess of their respective price tags, which was the whole purpose of this exercise.


    For the money (and quite a bit more), I can't think of a better commercially produced tonearm cable than the 428 Phono Litz (one has to remember that this is a high-quality solid silver litz cable, not copper or silver-plated) - *but*, if you really want to hear what it can do, fit better plugs! With stock plugs, I'd rate the cable as being 'VG', but with better plugs, you can take it all the way up to 'EX+'.

    Better plugs don't have to be as expensive as the WBTs, in question, either. Some Neutrik RCAs and a Cardas DIN plug, fitted instead, would do the job, and elevate the cable's performance to being pretty much unbeatable, IMO, in comparison with other tonearm cables on the market, south of £450.

    Here's the chap in question again (with its stock plugs): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pure-solid-s...c/221014738430

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Yes, despite spending a while trawling back through the posts, I did indeed miss that bit!
    Thanks

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    No worries. Are you thinking of treating yourself to one?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    It also appears, at £130, to be £30 cheaper than the original advert you linked to.

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