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  1. #231
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    No worries, dude. As you can see, the internal construction and materials used are different with each cable, and therefore explain the differences in cost

    Judging by the 'sound-per-pound value' I've heard so far, with the entry-level 428 Phono, I'd expect the SPD-4 (for example, at £440), sonically, to perform far in excess of its cost, which is why Andy has already commented that it's even better than his usual Nordost tonearm cable, costing £1229!

    Indeed, the 428 Phono (at £124) sounds as good as many other tonearm cables I've heard at twice the price and more, which augurs well in terms of what the 423.5 Phono will be capable of, and thus so far, ably demonstrates the 'giant-killing' potential of the cables that Yannis produces.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Well, everything's arrived now, except the SPD-4, which should be here sometime late next week, so it's comparisons ahoy tomorrow at Martin's place!!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  3. #233
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    I've been listening to the SPD-4 with my old Audio technica cartridge (see sig), I now have the Ortonfon black strapped into the 1210 to commence further listening tests and it will be nice to hear what comparisons Marco & Martin come up with over the next few days.
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    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
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    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





  4. #234
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    I've been having a brief listen to the 423.5 Phono Litz, fitted with Furutech CF-DIN(R) and silver Eichmanns, and even at this early stage it's sounding quite superb, and significantly better than the 428 Phono Litz, with standard connectors, which is to be expected, given the difference in cost.

    The 423.5 Phono Litz has a gorgeously fluid, vivid and lyrical sound, punctuated by phenomenal filigree detailing, making all musical performances come alive in the most involving way. It's not fully burned in yet, but this cable has all the hallmarks of being something rather special indeed...

    Stay tuned for some detailed thoughts, after my session tomorrow at Martin's place!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F307 View Post
    I'm getting near desperate for a new upgrade arm cable i'm just wondering weither to make one up myself!
    Might be worth talking to Will.
    He's not posted for a while, but he checks in once in a while.
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  6. #236
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    Right just a few quick notes. I've had the SPD4 strapped in with an ortofon cadenza black. I just listened to Kind of Blue (Miles Davis). The cable gives a truly 3D representation of whats on the disc. Miles sits centrally in the soundstage, Bill Evans sits firmly in the background. Every instrument can be perfectly placed in a 3D soundstage. The TYR does not give this depth or width of soundstage as the SPD4. Every instrument has greater detail and texture. The cable probably needs a few more hours to burn in, but boy is it something special.
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    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





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    Default Great Tonearm Cable Session at Mine

    Yesterday we (Marco, MikeMusic and me) spent some considerable time evaluating the tonearm cables at our disposal and we made some surprising and very revealing discoveries. We listened to:
    • Stock Dynavector silver cable (came with my DV507-II arm)
    • Yannis 428 Phono
    • Yannis 423.5 with standard connectors
    • Yannis 423.5 with Furutech & silver Eichmann connectors
    • Furutech AG12

    Having already played music on my stock system, we tried the Yannis 423.5 with Furutech/Eichmann connectors, thinking that if we're going to hear differences then let's put the top cable in.

    Well, let's dispense with the usual jaw-dropping day/night stuff and simply say that we were stunned at what we heard. I turned to Marco and said "did she (Norah Jones) just stand up?" Such was the increase in stage width and, especially, height, that we were now hearing deeper into the mix, with much more delineation of individual strands of the music. The rhythmic intensity was improved and the insight and liquidity of the midrange was magnificent.

    Marco's words were "the Dynavector cable was destroyed" and I reluctantly had to agree.

    After this we tried the 423.5 with the stock connectors and the soundstage collapsed to smaller dimensions with less insight into fine detail. So what we were hearing, then, was just the change in the two connectors at either end! I must admit that this was a bit of a revelation for me as I couldn't really see why this would make such a difference. However, the proof was there and we swapped back and forth just to convince ourselves of what we were hearing.

    We then proceeded to determine a ranking, with the 428 and AG12 not being in the same class as the 423.5, so they were fairly easily dismissed - this is within the context of my system, though, so the 428 especially still qualifies as great value for money in a less highly revealing system.

    I'll leave Marco to add his thoughts but my strong memories from this session are that cable really matters (as if I didn't know) and connectors matter! I'll be waiting for Marco's comparison of his 423.5 with special connectors against the SPD-4 that he will receive, but Yannis is going to be receiving an order from me real soon

    Showing Marco's deck with Ortofon SUT on my system's isolated rack. We switched decks and gave each one the space needed to perform at its best.



    Vinyl Listened To:

    Norah Jones - Not Too Late
    Muddy Waters - Folk Singer
    Tim Buckley - Blue Afternoon
    Bill Callaghan - Apocalypse
    Spirit - 12 Dreams of Dr Sardonicus
    KT Tunstall - (Ltd Edition) False Alarm EP (on 7" vinyl)
    Tindersticks - The Something Rain
    Nina Simone - Wild is the Wind
    John Martyn - Heaven and Earth
    Kraftwerk - Tour de France (Kling Klang Analogue Mix), 12" single
    Antonio Forcione - Tears of Joy
    Gentle Giant - In A Glass House
    Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
    Harry Belafonte - Live at Carnegie Hall
    Michael Hedges - Aerial Boundaries
    Yello - Touch
    Jan Hammer - Oh Yeah!
    Kokomo - Kokomo
    King Crimson - Lizard
    KD Lang - Drag
    Last edited by MartinT; 20-05-2012 at 20:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    Might be worth talking to Will.
    He's not posted for a while, but he checks in once in a while.
    I quite capable of making my own cables up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F307 View Post
    I quite capable of making my own cables up.
    Misread post Andre.
    For some strange reason I didn't see the word "cable", and thought you meant tonearm, and Will makes his own tonearms
    Chris



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    Come on Marco, are we going to get some comments from you with regards your latest cable bake off??
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    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





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