It's great to be 'famous'!!

[Marco]

Check this out, for a giggle: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...MotGIE&ct=clnk

Does anyone remember my previous encounter with Marc? It was certainly 'entertaining', although despite what he's learned since then, it still doesn't appear that he's grasped what the whole purpose is of extensively modifying an SL-1200/1210, if he thinks you can get there simply by buying a P9!

Your thoughts please, gentleman, on Marc's (continued) somewhat misguided ramblings?

Marco.

[Stratmangler]

Does it really matter what he thinks?
Probably not.
Does he think that his shit don't stink?
Comes across that way

[Marco]

Indeed... I just thought it was rather amusing how someone could continue to so spectacularly miss the point!

Marco.

[AlexM]

Link to the original thread please?

[synsei]

It all comes down to the fact that there are two types of audiophiles. One group wants to tweak and modify until the cows come home. They're constantly scouring the Internet for tips from other tweakers. The other group, however, wants to buy something that works right out of the box. They want quality, durability and performance. You just have to decide which group you belong to.

Think about these approaches as it relates to the automobile industry. Would you rather own a Hyundai Excel that has been tuned to the hilt using $20,000 worth of parts from a dozen different companies from all over the world? Or would you rather just own a Porsche Cayman S? I'll take the Porsche... and the P9, please.

I might not necessarily agree with him 100%, but he does have a point...

[Marco]

Not really, as a P9 will never sound like a modded Techy, or vice versa!

The point is NO other T/T in the world sounds like an SL-1210, modified in the way, say, mine or Martin's has been done, or Andrew's - it's unique. You either love it or you don't, but it *is* unique! Therefore, it you want that particular brand of uniqueness, there is simply no other way of obtaining it - and there's no arguing that fact.

Furthermore, he fails to realise that if your ears cannot tolerate what low and medium-mass belt-drive T/Ts do so fundamentally wrong, then why would a P9 (or any turntable of that ilk) ever cut it in preference to a high-quality direct-drive T/T, which has a totally different way of presenting music? If you like what *that* does, then NOTHING ELSE will do.

That's my whole point, Dave, and it's one that Marc patently fails to grasp...

Marco.

[synsei]

I think the point is better encapsulated in the first paragraph Marco, and besides, everyone is entitled to their point of view even if it may differ from our own. surely? From what I've read he's as passionate about Rega's as we are for 1210's so who are we to argue? He obviously prefers the sound of a BDTT so no amount of bitching on our part is going to change his mind...

[Marco]

I'm not saying that he's not entitled to his views, of course he is, but rather that he's completely missing the point about the whole purpose of heavily modifying an SL-1200/1210.

That much is blatantly obvious.

Marco.

[synsei]

The thing is Marco there are always going to be people who don't get the point. Marc is honest enough to admit that he's not heard your rig and was even willing to admit it might sound like the dogs danglies. Although his article isn't entirely free of judgemental comments, on the whole he makes his point well from his perspective, and I suspect many would share his reservations. From speaking to me on the phone you know I have my doubts about lavishing thousands of pounds on my SL. That doesn't mean I'm not a fan of the Techie sound it's just that I'd rather buy a product that was fully formed from the outset, if you get my meaning? Like a good many I suspect, I don't possess the skills or confidence to perform the majority of mods available for this deck therefore by definition, rather than upgrade via mods I cannot fit myself it would be safer to go out and buy a fully formed product, that way I'm not risking fucking up the one I have.

EDIT: I am mixing up my personal circumstances with my commentary on Marc's article and I apologise for that. I shall expand on my own circumstances in a little while. I'm not saying either of you are right or wrong, just that you are both espousing opinions which originate from different sides of the same coin

[Marco]

Sure, Dave, I get that, but you don't know the history with this guy. He was as blinkered as they come, and has only softened his stance slightly, after being suitably 'educated' from the last time we crossed swords!

If someone can find a link to the original thread, you'll understand more where I'm coming from

Marco.