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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Andrew,

    Mine's on its way, too! Yannis informed me that the silver barrels on the LOK plugs were magnetic, and thus sonically detrimental, so he's used the non-ferrous black ones instead:

    It's nice dealing with someone who can offer this level of design flexibility, and precisely why I always prefer buying bespoke products from small independent, enthusiast-focussed, manufacturers

    If the cable sounds as good as it looks - we'll both have won a watch!!

    Marco.
    +1 with all those comments, Yannis has been excellent. He has answered every email thrown at him in double quick time. I noted that you went for the non-ferrous RCA's. Why do you think I went with Eichmann silver bullets, they hold into the the RCA out slot supertight and are non magnetic Lets hope the cable cuts the sonic mustard. I have already spoken to Yannis about some new balanced interconnects of a similar design and he has offered me several cables to trial if I like what I hear. Now you cant get better than that.
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    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





  2. #52
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    Why do you think I went with Eichmann silver bullets, they hold into the the RCA out slot supertight and are non magnetic...
    Indeed - and I may end up doing the same.

    However, I'd like the opportunity to compare the Eichmanns to the LOKs, and assess whether the higher cost of the former is worth it, which is why he's allowing me to listen to cables fitted with both, before making my decision...

    Lets hope the cable cuts the sonic mustard.
    Fear not, the Marco-boy's gut instincts in these matters are rarely wrong

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    This got me going, the cable looks gorgeous. I will wait for your report Marco and after that I will decide.

    When i will order, I will also take the balanced interconnects, so I will wait for Andrew report on those.

    I need to start saving for all the things I've planned to upgrade/buy in 2012
    SL1210MG5, SME V, 2M Black, Paul Hynes SR5-21, Mike New platter & bearing, Lehmann Black Cube SE phono, Canton Vento 5.1, Pioneer SC-LX72 AV & KURO KRP-500A

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaksK View Post
    This got me going, the cable looks gorgeous. I will wait for your report Marco and after that I will decide.

    When i will order, I will also take the balanced interconnects, so I will wait for Andrew report on those.

    I need to start saving for all the things I've planned to upgrade/buy in 2012
    Maks,

    You already have a pretty well specced out 1210. I notice you have a V like me. what cartridge are you using?? We have similar 1210's also in that you have a lot of the Mike New stuff. You might want to consider buying the MN base plate and tonearm board (which is what I have my V installed into). Apart some minor mods to the 1210's PCB and Paul Hynes internal regs there really isnt much more to do with a 1210 apart from experimenting with platter mats, carts, and power leads

    Andy
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    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    Maks,

    You already have a pretty well spec'd out 1210. I notice you have a V like me. what cartridge are you using?? We have similar 1210's also in that you have a lot of the Mike New stuff. You might want to consider buying the MN base plate and tonearm board (which is what I have my V installed into). Apart some minor mods to the 1210's PCB and Paul Hynes internal regs there really isnt much more to do with a 1210 apart from experimenting with platter mats, carts, and power leads

    Andy
    Hi Andrew,

    I'm using the Ortofon 2M Black with my V arm and couldn't be happier. Before I will get into MC territory, I will first upgrade some of the other elements of my system (phono, amp, speakers, etc). But this will come over the years

    Regarding armboard, I have a really thick aluminum one (H&S Audio, coated with anti-vibration NEXTEL) so if I will ever change it it will be the ebony one. For baseplate I really don't see a need in my situation and I don't like the look of elevated platter. I have just received the silver DC cable with furutech xlr plug (thanks Marco) and I will order PH regulator modules. Later I plan to buy this tonearm cable as I still have the stock SME one and stereo interconnects. This will be it for 2012 (or not )
    SL1210MG5, SME V, 2M Black, Paul Hynes SR5-21, Mike New platter & bearing, Lehmann Black Cube SE phono, Canton Vento 5.1, Pioneer SC-LX72 AV & KURO KRP-500A

  6. #56
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    Just a quick update. The cable should be finished on Thursday we are now just waiting dor the DIN connector. So not long now.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaksK View Post
    Hi Andrew,

    I'm using the Ortofon 2M Black with my V arm and couldn't be happier. Before I will get into MC territory, I will first upgrade some of the other elements of my system (phono, amp, speakers, etc). But this will come over the years

    Regarding armboard, I have a really thick aluminum one (H&S Audio, coated with anti-vibration NEXTEL) so if I will ever change it it will be the ebony one. For baseplate I really don't see a need in my situation and I don't like the look of elevated platter. I have just received the silver DC cable with furutech xlr plug (thanks Marco) and I will order PH regulator modules. Later I plan to buy this tonearm cable as I still have the stock SME one and stereo interconnects. This will be it for 2012 (or not )
    Nice I must admit that I've not done anything to dampen the underside of the SME, perhaps this could be the next round of tweeks. I've just finished modifying the plinth, I'll be posting some pics soon.
    SS
    CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10

    VALVE / MONO
    PRE
    Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker





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    Quote Originally Posted by sq225917 View Post
    The center pin on the LOK's should be all silver if you got the top spec ones, my ones from HGA were.
    Thanks Simon,

    That's more information than is on the manufactures website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vouk View Post
    Lok connectors are from their performance series - rhodium over silver plated body. Very good quality and a substantial saving from the WBT's.
    I can see the Lok cost less than the WBT and that they are good quality, they are not the same build though.

    The WBT I suggest has a nylon/plasticky lightweight body with pure silver ground and signal contacts and appears to work very well with most cables.
    The only reason more manufacturers dont use them is the price compared to lower cost connectors.

    Looking on homegrown audio site it does not really say what they are made from, most likely brass like most reasonably priced connectors and there is nothing wrong with that.
    http://www.homegrownaudio.com/produc...ck-barrel.html

    http://www.homegrownaudio.com/produc...ck-barrel.html

    It would be interesting to try the same cable with various types of connector as there should be differences.

    The price of these cables looks very reasonable if it is 6 nines purity.

    Reading some of the posts Marco has changed to the non magnetic barrel black body connector so that's a step in the right direction which happened after I mentioned the WBT's

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    Well, chaps, the cable has arrived, and I can confirm that it looks just as good 'in the flesh', as it does in the pictures!

    I've just plugged it in instead of the Furutech cable I've been using, and all I can say at the moment is that initial impressions are *very* good indeed....

    However, I intend to let the cable burn-in, until at least the weekend, before any meaningful comparisons will be made between it and the Furutech, so stay tuned, folks, for an update followed by a full review!

    Marco.

    P.S Mark, you're probably correct, which is why I'll likely bite the bullet and get the second cable Yannis is sending me (for comparison purposes) fitted with some silver WBTs or Eichmann's (actually, I fancy giving the latter a go for a change), along with a Furutech DIN plug
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Grant View Post
    I can see the Lok cost less than the WBT and that they are good quality, they are not the same build though.

    The WBT I suggest has a nylon/plasticky lightweight body with pure silver ground and signal contacts and appears to work very well with most cables.
    The only reason more manufacturers dont use them is the price compared to lower cost connectors.

    Looking on homegrown audio site it does not really say what they are made from, most likely brass like most reasonably priced connectors and there is nothing wrong with that.
    http://www.homegrownaudio.com/produc...ck-barrel.html

    http://www.homegrownaudio.com/produc...ck-barrel.html

    It would be interesting to try the same cable with various types of connector as there should be differences.

    The price of these cables looks very reasonable if it is 6 nines purity.

    Reading some of the posts Marco has changed to the non magnetic barrel black body connector so that's a step in the right direction which happened after I mentioned the WBT's
    I think he uses these connectors, but could be wrong:
    http://www.homegrownaudio.com/produc...ck-barrel.html
    They are good quality but I wouldn't really put them on an equal footing with
    WBT or Eichmann. Considerably cheaper though.....

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