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    Thumbs down Dodgy SPU quality and a tale of woe with an Ortofon RS-212D...

    From an earlier discussion here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/newre...reply&p=269058

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    What's happened to it, Marco?
    You won't believe it, Martin - what a bloody nightmare....

    What happened was that when my BRAND NEW SPU arrived the other day, I fitted it to the arm and immediately noticed that the cartridge was leaning badly to one side. Upon closer inspection, it turned out that this was because the fixed headshell's bayonet fitting was misaligned (and unfortunately there is no azimuth adjustment, to compensate, on the SPU's built-in headshell). So that of course meant that azimuth was completely out and that the cartridge was of bugger all use!

    What seems to have happened was that, whoever at Ortofon had built the SPU, hadn't glued the bayonet fitting of the headshell on straight, when its position was being adjusted in the factory!!

    Anyway, there was a little grub screw underneath the detachable headshell section of my new Ortofon RS-212D tonearm, which Simon (the dealer I bought the tonearm from) and I presumed would be for azimuth adjustment, in that loosening it would allow the plastic housing, holding the inner contact pins, to turn slightly so that I could then gently twist the headshell until it sat straight inside the arm.

    Seems sensible, right??

    Problem was, that the grub screw did no such thing - what it did was proceed to loosen the inner contact pins on the tonearm, so that when I next fitted a headshell to it, the pressure applied by doing so, pushed the pins flat inside the plastic housing, resulting in the contact pins on the headshell bayonet fitting no longer making contact with the inner ones of the arm, thus resulting in a complete loss of sound!!!

    There was no warning whatsoever in the supplied owner's manual that that grub screw shouldn't be touched (a printed sheet, however, had been supplied warning of other 'no go' areas of the tonearm), or indeed any indication as to its function. Therefore, what happened was hardly my fault!

    So now, because neither Mark (who kindly offered to have a look at it for me), or Simon, whom I returned the arm to yesterday, could fix it, driving some 400+ miles there and back to both their addresses in the process, it had to go back to Ortofon, who will now either fix it or supply a new tonearm - and the same goes with the SPU.

    All that crap because Ortofon couldn't manage to fix the headshell housing straight on a not exactly inexpensive cartridge... As you can imagine, I'm bloody livid!! But hopefully, I should have both back next week and everything will be ok

    I must stress though, that Simon (from HifiSound) has been very supportive and helpful about the whole thing. He's stayed late for me on both occasions when I've been to his shop, and always, as they say, 'gone the extra mile', in terms of his customer service, so I must thank him very much him for that. It's at times like this that you *really* appreciate the help and support of a good dealer, and not having bought instead from the likes of eBay!!

    But, as you can imagine, I'm less than happy with Ortofon and I'll be watching very closely how they handle this. Clearly, their standards of workmanship and quality control need some working on!!!

    The net result of this of course is that my T/T is now without an arm and cartridge for the Dominic's T/T bake-off in Preston tomorrow, so I'm not sure if I will be going...

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Oh bad luck, Marco. That's the kind of thing that only happens very rarely but I can understand the gnashing of teeth. An £800 SPU should have been at the very least tested properly, not to mention final inspected. I can't understand how it could have shipped out with an azimuth error.

    So there's no azimuth adjustment on either the headshell or arm? Strange!

    Do you still have the Jelco as a backup?

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    Indeed. It's really rather shoddy, but we'll see if they manage to redeem themselves now by how they handle the situation.......

    I've still got my old Jelco, so I'm going to see if that will still fit properly in the armboard, now that it's been drilled out to accomodate the Ortofon.

    The other thing, before I do anything, as I've sold the Jelco to Bernie (Canetoad), and was due to ship the arm to him soon, I'll have to ask his permission to use the arm and if he doesn't mind waiting another couple of days now to get it...

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    The other thing, before I do anything, as I've sold the Jelco to Bernie (Canetoad), and was due to ship the arm to him soon, I'll have to ask his permission to use the arm and if he doesn't mind waiting another couple of days now to get it...
    No need now - David Brook's come to the rescue and is bringing a spare Jelco SA750 with him, together with armboard, so the show will go on!

    Nice one, David!!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    You best give Dom some money for the extra electricity that will be used from your PSU, it looks like an 80's krell...

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    Hi Martin,

    Oh bad luck, Marco. That's the kind of thing that only happens very rarely but I can understand the gnashing of teeth.
    You bet! When it happened, the almighty AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!! I let out would've awoken the dead!!!!!

    An £800 SPU should have been at the very least tested properly, not to mention final inspected. I can't understand how it could have shipped out with an azimuth error.
    Indeed. It's pretty crapola, isn't it?

    So there's no azimuth adjustment on either the headshell or arm? Strange!
    Niento that I can see, amigo.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    I have to say, I think it's pretty shoddy too (unfortunately, I have heard of this issue before with SPU's).

    I'm not surprised there is no azimuth adjustment though as there often isn't (there could be though if someone had bothered to design it in).
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    I have to say, I think it's pretty shoddy too (unfortunately, I have heard of this issue before with SPU's).
    Really? Do tell more... Hopefully, now that this problem has been brought to their attention, and into the public domain here on AoS, they'll do something to rectify it in future!

    Marco, I know it looks as though I'm all about the aesthetic but actually I consider the sound quality and design content to be paramount; but there's no reason why it shouldn't look cool too
    Oh don't worry, mate, I got that message loud and clear

    But you're also a perfectionist and value quality, as I do - and I respect that

    Marco.

    P.S I will move all Ortofon-related posts to a separate thread of their own.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Bloody hell Marco, nightmare for you. What FG hard luck. But sure it will all work out okay for you.

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    I feel for you Marco, I thought I was the only one who gets this sort of aggravation from what should be a straightforward purchase. I would expect a £30 cartridge to be visually inspected before shipping let alone an £800 one. Amazing that even in these woeful economic times some companies are still taking their customers for granted.
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