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    Some news:
    Capacitors C32 and C33 (original value 56pF) should go out. Op-amp will not oscillate without them , they are killing highs.
    Capacitors C34 and C35 (original value 1nF) should go out. Or minimal value of 100-150pF, as Leo suggested.
    C44 and C51: desolder original 100μF, put 47μF.
    C40 and C50: leave original SMD, bypass with 0.1μF MKP (small size)

    Bottom side of the board:
    Solder lytic capacitor 4.7μF or 10μF directly to op-amp legs 4 and 8 (4=negative, 8=positive) for decoupling. Use good quality cap.
    Last edited by FireFly; 12-11-2008 at 22:49.

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    This guy did tests and proved that it Improved the highs..
    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showp...&postcount=210

    Removing those capacitors, are we replacing it with something else? Or just leaving it empty?

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    Hi
    I'm Marco from Germany (sorry for my bad english).
    My Kit arrived today.
    I compared the "stock"-dac-kit with my CD-Player ( a Sony SCD-XE670).
    The only difference I heared was that the DAC is a bit louder than my CDP.
    I'm a bit disappointed. Is this normal in "stock"-state?

    What is the first thing I could do to improve the Sound?

    My equipment:
    Sony CDP SCD-XE670
    Amp: Rotel RA-931 (I use its headamp)
    Sennheiser HD650

    Thanks in advance


    Marco

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    Hi Marco, from another Marco

    Welcome to AOS. Where in Germany are you? My wife has relatives in Köln and Bergisch Gladbach.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Where in Germany are you? My wife has relatives in Köln and Bergisch Gladbach.

    Marco.
    Hi Marco

    I live in western Germany. About 100km to Köln and 10km to the Netherlands.

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    Hi Marco,

    Are you anywhere near Euskirchen? My wife also has relatives there. We usually spend a week in Köln and a week in the countryside near where you are

    I love Germany!

    Anyway, we better keep the thread on topic I just popped in to say hello.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Marco,

    Are you anywhere near Euskirchen? My wife also has relatives there. We usually spend a week in Köln and a week in the countryside near where you are
    Euskirchen is in the South of Köln. I live in the North (about 100km) of Köln.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I love Germany!
    Me too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post

    Anyway, we better keep the thread on topic I just popped in to say hello.
    Yes we should. I think the others are getting nerved by this.


    So could anyone make a guide/tutorial or simply a list of what improved the sound? That would be awesome!

    I read the whole thread (and also this and this) but I'm a bit confused because some mods are contradictory.
    One persons changes Capacitor-A like this and another like that.

    Thanks in advance

    Marco


    P.S.: There is actually no thread in our german hifi-forum. If I suceed with my mods, I will post one.

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    im gonna try firefly's mod when people start confirming it is good. Yea I am confused too. Leo has 4 capacitors around the opamp when firefly removes 2 of them. And he removes the resistor mods too. Leo hasn't been on in a while, but I will do the mod once he agrees with firefly lol.
    Last edited by JDMz; 15-11-2008 at 18:14.

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    Things like PSU's and type of op-amps can cause varying results, I personally don't like Oscon caps in a lot positions yet some others do, as with everything else its best to try it out, if you don't like it, just rip it out

    I've not tried removing the caps in the op-amps feedback positions yet.
    I'm currently using AD826 which can be a little touchy so requires a bit of care
    Soon as I get time I'll remove the caps and have a look on the scope

    If you remove the the caps and notice excessive brightness this can be a sign of HF distortion caused by ringing, some op-amps shouldn't cause any issues so should be fine
    Last edited by leo; 15-11-2008 at 23:13.

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    I have capacitors like this except 4uF on my outputs. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=027-200

    It does not show polarity.. can it go any way?

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