Marco's latest vintage marvel....

[spendorman]

From memory, the G800 was pretty reasonable, led me to purchase the Goldring Epic cartridge, did not like this one.

[kininigin]

Hi Darren,

I'd just go for one of these, until a NOS stylus pops up: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stylus-Goldrin...item45f9fd3918

What headshell are you using with the G800 - just the stock Jelco one? If so, you'll need to add some more mass

Marco.

Hi marco,

ok i'll get a modern replacement till a nos shows up.

I've got the at ls-12 which I got from you,but I think it's the same weight as the jelco.I'm sure I have a headshell weight/spacer with an old technics headshell.I'm not sure how heavy it is,probaly between 2g-4g I suspect.

[Marco]

Hi Darren,

Don't use those, as they're ferrous, and so not ideal for this particular job. My advice would be to buy this stainless steel headshell weight, from VPI:

http://www.analogueseduction.net/pro...eight_VPI-SSHW

It's what I use with my G800, and it the holes should align nicely with those under your LS-12. That (along with a new stylus) will make your G800 sing!

Marco.

P.S Also, remember to track the G800 at around 2.5g (with a conical stylus), or even a bit more if it sounds better for it - you'll still be well within the recommended range.

[kininigin]

Hi Darren,

Don't use those, as they're ferrous, and so not ideal for this particular job. My advice would be to buy this stainless steel headshell weight, from VPI:

http://www.analogueseduction.net/pro...eight_VPI-SSHW

It's what I use with my G800, and it the holes should align nicely with those under your LS-12. That (along with a new stylus) will make your G800 sing!

Marco.

P.S Also, remember to track the G800 at around 2.5g (with a conical stylus), or even a bit more if it sounds better for it - you'll still be well within the recommended range.

Right i see the technics weight does look a bit 'flimsy' really,i assume ferrous means more resonant?

Martin t had suggested a denon DL-110 to try but i have just spent £1k on a snowboard course in austria(which i passed btw ) so am a little skint atm,so will have to wait awhile for that.

Have you heard a DL-110? and if so,how does it compare to the G800 when set up optimaly?

[DSJR]

"Ferrous means magnetic" I suspect Marco meant. The G800 and 820 were "induced magnet" types, which meant that instead of there being a small magnet behind the stylus waggling around, there was some easily magnetised material instead. A permanent magnet was positioned above the stylus assembly to magnetise this material. ADC used similar techniques in their classic 1960's and 1970's series of cartridges, the magnets being fixed in the body in the 26 and relatives, but actually in the stylus assembly in the QLM/VLM/XLM and ZLM models.


G800E test from Gramophone - note the 5db treble suckout...

http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page...7/#header-logo

[kininigin]

"Ferrous means magnetic" I suspect Marco meant. The G800 and 820 were "induced magnet" types, which meant that instead of there being a small magnet behind the stylus waggling around, there was some easily magnetised material instead. A permanent magnet was positioned above the stylus assembly to magnetise this material. ADC used similar techniques in their classic 1960's and 1970's series of cartridges, the magnets being fixed in the body in the 26 and relatives, but actually in the stylus assembly in the QLM/VLM/XLM and ZLM models.


G800E test from Gramophone - note the 5db treble suckout...

http://www.gramophone.net/Issue/Page...7/#header-logo

gotcha,you can allways count on dave to fill the gaps in one's lack of knowledge

Not sure what 5db treble suckout means in practical terms though.Still new to all this really.

It was easy when i used to dj,buy a couple of concord carts,install,then bang 'choons' out till new carts were needed.

[DSJR]

A treble suckout usually means a big, beefy sound with a "gentle" reproduction of cymbals etc. I found. I'm still waiting for my freebies so I can't verify these feelings in today's sensibilities.

[Dominic Harper]

Just spotted this thread by accident. I have read most of the posts and have to agree with you Marco on the G800's qualities.
I recently re-tipped one for a customer as a bit on an experiment. New tip was a standard spherical, Tested on my Garrard 301/sme 3009 imp fixed headshell
and was duley gobsmacked at the results. I use a Supex 900super in Audiomods arm daily, but I may well get a G800 now. No suckout whatsoever, and firm bass with midrange to die for. Plenty of subtlety and expression, no sibilance which was not expected. All in all extremely satisfying.
Some pics of the one I worked on

New tip under microscope

Finished G800


Dom

[kininigin]

Just spotted this thread by accident. I have read most of the posts and have to agree with you Marco on the G800's qualities.
I recently re-tipped one for a customer as a bit on an experiment. New tip was a standard spherical, Tested on my Garrard 301/sme 3009 imp fixed headshell
and was duley gobsmacked at the results. I use a Supex 900super in Audiomods arm daily, but I may well get a G800 now. No suckout whatsoever, and firm bass with midrange to die for. Plenty of subtlety and expression, no sibilance which was not expected. All in all extremely satisfying.
Some pics of the one I worked on
Dom

Hi dom,welcom to the forum

I've been looking for a nos stylus for one of these carts but to no avail as of yet,but after reading your post i was wondering if you could give some info on retipping a modern G800 stylus,would it be worth it? how much?

If it's not worth it i'll just get a modern one and see how that goes.Just have to wait on a auction on ebay for some records i have been after for years and don't want to miss out on them so all funds will concentrate on that.

[Dominic Harper]

Hi Darren, I have been on this forum for some time, but don't post as often as I should!
I have not listened to the ne styli so can't comment on those. They are available for around £15 and my re-tip will cost £60 to the existing cantivever if still usable. At least this will keep the original spec as the new replacements will no doubt alter the characteristics.
The original suspension should be fine, so no worries there.
My email is northwestanalogue@hotmail.co.uk
if you need to get in touch.
Dom