And so the next major audiophile engineering challenge is, err, well what?

**Primalsea** · 26-10-2008, 12:31

wasn't the phons curve creative from data obtained from perceived loudness of many hunderds of people??

**Marco** · 26-10-2008, 12:37

LOL!!

No disrespect, Tim, but I couldn't give a monkey's bollocks what "a statistically significant sample of civilians/audiophiles/recording engineers" think. I trust my own ears, and those of people whose opinions I respect, nothing else matters to me - and so it will always be...

Oh, and these days I rarely, if ever, use magazines to assess the performance standards of equipment, so I'm pretty unconcerned how they carry out their tests. There are plenty of other things which I find hi-fi magazines useful for, though.

Marco.

**StanleyB** · 26-10-2008, 12:57

Originally Posted by tfarney

I believe that if a statistically significant sample of civilians/audiophiles/recording engineers (take your choice) cannot hear something, it is inaudible, regardless of the subjective opinions of audiophiles who want to believe.

Seems reasonable to me.

Maybe the difference should as clear as day and night, before it should be considered to be present.

**Marco** · 26-10-2008, 14:01

Yes, Stan, but how do you ascertain what judgement criteria is used to determine the differences which are considered "as clear as day and night"?

Your "as clear as day and night" might be my 'slight difference', or vice versa.

It's all subjective... That's why the best thing is always to trust your own ears and forget about what others think, unless it's someone you know who has similar tastes and whose way of assessing hi-fi aligns with yours.

Marco.

**StanleyB** · 26-10-2008, 15:20

Originally Posted by Marco

That's why the best thing is always to trust your own ears and forget about what others think, unless it's someone you know who has similar tastes and whose way of assessing hi-fi aligns with yours.

I don't trust my own ears... The left and right frequency response are not what they used to be after years of sonic abuse... So before I can say with any sort of certainty that I can hear anything, it has to be clear as night and day to my ears.

Just imagine how many design ideas I might have discarded over the last few years, just because I couldn't hear an improvement

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**Marco** · 26-10-2008, 15:25

LOL! Sorry to hear that, Stan. Mine, however, are functioning just fine and dandy

I thought you'd suffered more from drug abuse than sonic abuse

Marco.

**StanleyB** · 26-10-2008, 15:36

Originally Posted by Marco

LOL! Sorry to hear that, Stan. Mine, however, are functioning just fine and dandy

I thought you'd suffered more from drug abuse than sonic abuse

Marco.

I got rid of the two mistresses, so I am slowly recovering

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**Labarum** · 26-10-2008, 15:38

I didn't think it was mistresses that made you deaf . . . now was that blind?

**Primalsea** · 26-10-2008, 19:36

Originally Posted by Marco

There are plenty of other things which I find hi-fi magazines useful for, though.
Marco.

Marco, I know we are heading for recession but wiping your arse with yor old Hifi mags must just be painful

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I tried it once, it was very late and I was tired. I didn't notice that the page had stuck to me. When I woke up in the morning the ink had transfered to my skin and I looked like I had a tatoo of the editor's face on my arse.

Couldn't go to the beach with my thong for over a week!

**Primalsea** · 26-10-2008, 19:37

Originally Posted by Labarum

I didn't think it was mistresses that made you deaf . . . now was that blind?

What, 2 women nagging you, its enough to make anyone deaf.

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