Truly amazed

[Mark Grant]

A bit of thread drift

I'm not at all surprised that Mark's cable measures as flat as a witches tit.

You have a way with words

However, aside from that, any adverse sonic effect, however slight, you heard with the G1000HDs, I would suggest is not as a result of the characteristics of cable itself, but rather of the Canare plugs supplied. I should've made that clearer in my post on your ad. I will amend it shortly.

I can say this because I've heard exactly what you describe, and it is completely absent in the G2000HDs, or the G1500HDs supplied with Neutrik Pro-fi plugs.

The Canare plugs are of good quality (and Mark could hardly fit any better on his already excellent value for money entry-level cable), and are well constructed, but they do contain a large amount of metal, which a number of us have discovered recently is, sonically, a no-no.

It's to do with metal storing eddy currents. There are papers about this on the web, should you wish to read them.

This effect was discovered recently when comparing WBT 0102cu plugs (which contain metal in their internal construction) and WBT 0110cu plugs (which contain no metal, other than on the necessary conductors).

The 0102s are slightly more expensive, due only to the metal contained in their construction, yet when used in conjunction with Mark's excellent G1000HD cable, the sound is notably worse than with the 0110s...... Basically, high frequency extension is curtailed, and so the overall sound is somewhat 'softened'.

You can clearly hear the effect on a high quality, neutral-sounding system.

Although for hundreds of people the Canare connector is just fine, dont forget you have a really high end valve amplifier and huge bassy speakers.

good comments here:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...nt_g1000hd.htm

http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com...-say-they-are/

As for the Neutrik Pro-fi plugs, I can't recall their internal construction, but I suspect that overall there will be less metal used than on the Canares. Plus, in any case, the design is better, in terms of how contact is made.

The Neutrik Profi are great plugs and do fit very tightly to sockets, not much of a solder area for screening to be connected, the design could be improved slightly by Neutrik. I do like them

Neutrik Profi NF2C-B/2 Professional Phono Plug

Therefore, what I'm saying is not necessary to attribute what you've heard as being an effect of the G1000HD interconnects as a whole, but rather of the Canare plugs used.

Could be

It's something that I'd ask others and you to consider. It's long been my belief that the sonic effect of cables in a hi-fi system is more often than not attributable to the plugs used than the wire.

There does appear to be a pattern with the high end revealing systems of different connectors making a difference.

To that end, Mark should perhaps consider supplying his G1000HDs as standard with Neutrik Pro-fis (as priced on his site) and perhaps drop the Canares, making the choice offered then between the G1500 and G2000HDs. I'm sure that most people willing to spend £65 on interconnects would stretch to £90 for the same ones with much better plugs, and consequently significantly improved sonic performance.

This would then improve the quality of Mark's best selling entry-level cable, and the overall reputation of his products accordingly.

I'd be interested to hear what Mark's thoughts are on this?

Marco.

The Canare are perfect for most people but are fairly expensive now:
http://www.canford.co.uk/Products/43...O-PLUG-Group-Y that is + VAT so about £5 each if bought in small quantities
They are consistently high quality which is important, nothing worse than batch variations with the really cheap stuff from China.

There was a thread on the forums here about cheap plugs,
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9256

Johns comments saying "The outer cases are all over the place, (fast machined ally) and the internal threads have all needed cleaning out and de- burring.' so that not ideal." puts me of cheap stuff as that is the kind of consistency sometimes.


I do have some different low cost connectors that I will try and see what people think of them. Might be able to stay at the same price even though will take longer to assemble.
Only of they really are better though.

Mark.

[WAD62]

flat as a witches tit.

Quite a common turn of phrase up north, I'm from Gretna, but down here in the midlands the phrase seems to be 'As cold as a witch's tit'...

We obviously need to recalibrate Witches Tits, as an internationally recognised unit of measure

[Ali Tait]

Be interested in what you think about the Belkin Will.

[WAD62]

Be interested in what you think about the Belkin Will.

Hi Ali,

In your experience how long would you recommend for the Belkin burn-in?...that is if you believe in such a thing

I suppose the other variable is that I'm running it into my 'tuner' input, which I don't think I've ever used before, I suppose the thing would be to compare them for a couple of days as is, then switch them round and repeat the test.

Edit; The only other thing to add is that at £3.99 it's a very impressive bit of hardware, if a cable can ever be described as physically impressive

[Ali Tait]

I didn't really notice any to be honest, but then I replaced all the cables in my system with the Belkins.

[Mark Grant]

Do you think if you could obtain the best price possible on a quantity purchase of Neutrik Pro-fis, you could provide them as standard on your entry-level cables at not too much more cost than what you charge at the moment for the G1000HDs with Canares?

If you could, I think in the long term it would be a winner for you.

Just a thought, dude!

Marco.

That's a possibility although as Frank said ( post gone ?) they are a bit fiddly to fit.
Not cheap even in fairly large quantities, they are good though.

Mark.

[WAD62]

I didn't really notice any to be honest, but then I replaced all the cables in my system with the Belkins.

The plot thickens, the postie's just arrived with my other 1M Belkin Cable (singular)

...I've quickly ordered another one...at £9 per cable, (or £18 for a pair, if you're one of those wierdos that listens to that new fangled stereo malarkey), it's beginning to mount up a bit...still not too bad if they're good

First thing to report, the 2.4M is indeed grey, the 1M one is whiter than white.

I've attached some photos of the box blurb, they are indeed of different construction, and as stated earlier in the thread, grey are advertised as double shielded, whereas the white are labelled as quadruple, amongst other construction differences...

We'll have to wait for a couple of days for the white comparison...

[The Grand Wazoo]

Just to add a little more thickener to your plot:

The grey 1 metre ones I have (single run) of which I bought 10 to make up 5 stereo pairs are different again.
Bad scan I'm afraid - the only ones I have left with the diagram are still fully packaged up. But you can just make out a single drain wire which doesn't feature on your ones.

[Ali Tait]

The plot thickens, the postie's just arrived with my other 1M Belkin Cable (singular)

...I've quickly ordered another one...at £9 per cable, (or £18 for a pair, if you're one of those wierdos that listens to that new fangled stereo malarkey), it's beginning to mount up a bit...still not too bad if they're good

First thing to report, the 2.4M is indeed grey, the 1M one is whiter than white.

I've attached some photos of the box blurb, they are indeed of different construction, and as stated earlier in the thread, grey are advertised as double shielded, whereas the white are labelled as quadruple, amongst other construction differences...

We'll have to wait for a couple of days for the white comparison...

Be good to know if there's much sonic difference between the two Will. All of mine are the white ones.

[anthonyTD]

hi all,
bit late commenting on the latest findings with these cables since my last post on them. Anyway, it would seem that the latest grey versions are of the same construction as the original white ones i disected, [and yes it was just the one cable i dismantled] The new 1mtr white version is completely diffrent to both the old white and new grey, hope this makes sense, in simple form, the new grey one is the one to go for as far as the hybrid conductor construction is concerned.
Anthony,TD...