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    Season’s Greetings to all the AoS members, especially those who have been so supportive over the last few years.

    Hi Marko,

    I am no transformer specialist and the information I give here is based on discussions with specialists when I have been looking for exceptional performance for my projects. In particular Terry Monaghan from Canterbury Windings has been very helpful in my quest for a very high performance transformer for the SR5. Terry has been in the industry for a long time and specialises in Audio Grade transformers. His products are excellent.

    You are right about size matters however there is a lot more to the SR5 power transformer than being oversize for the job.

    Firstly, all the ‘off the shelf’ transformer ranges you can find in the component catalogues are built to a price in a very competitive market, primarily for industrial use. They are usually wound with a high flux density for efficiency. If you switch them on when the mains voltage is high they can easily go into core saturation and can take a long time to recover from this. The materials used in the construction are, to be kind, ‘cheap and cheerless’. They are wound on automatic machines with little care and attention to detail during the winding process. They are running on the edge all the time because of these manufacturing conditions. Most of these transformers are very noisy mechanically as they often have loose cores and windings. This type of transformer has no place in a high-end system, where background noise can be a serious distraction, so what I am about to say does not relate to these low quality transformers.

    Regarding the size issue, back to my family saloon/Bugatti Veyron analogy. Both will take you where you want to go but the Veyron will do it effortlessly. Put your foot down and the family saloon will struggle but will get you there eventually. Trying to stop rapidly is also a struggle. The Veyron will go like a bat out of hell and stop on a sixpence. It’s just coasting with far more energy available and a heavily engineered system to keep things under control when the going gets tough. Yes it is over-specified for the job, but I know which I would prefer, and it is not just about looks and flash. The performance is exemplary.

    Increasing the transformer size allows for reduced secondary impedance, which in turn allows more current to be available for transient demands. The flux density in the primary drops with increasing size and this reduces the sensitivity to core saturation overload. There is also less leakage flux from winding to winding, which reduces interaction between the windings. The winding technique is critical to high performance and this is an area where information is carefully guarded due to proprietary rights protection.

    The SR5 transformer is one of Terry’s specials. The winding is carefully controlled on a manually operated winding machine. High quality materials are used and the transformer is wound on an oversize core with inherently low flux density so there are no core saturation problems even when the mains voltage is higher than usual. The transformer is designed for silent running so no annoying buzzes in the listening room.

    The transformer combined with the regulator module I use for this supply gives an exceptionally quiet power supply both electrically and mechanically.

    Hi John,

    ‘Interesting Power supply Paul.
    Do you have a spec sheet and price for it?
    Is that phosphor bronze?’

    The regulator is a proprietary discrete component topology using error amplifier devices with a noise spec of 0.5 nanovolts root Hz and a noise corner of 1 Hz. The regulator output noise measured 35 nanovolts root Hz on an HP3561a spectrum analyser. This is half the noise level (6 dB lower) of the low noise version of the ALW regulator that many audio enthusiasts have used in their DIY projects. 35 nanovolts root Hz is around 5 nanovolts rms over a 20 KHz bandwidth. A National Semiconductor LM317 would typically have around 630 nanovolts rms output noise in standard configuration and in the region of 63 nanovolts rms output noise with the low noise configuration when set for an output voltage of 21 volts.

    Cascode operation of the SR5 regulator error amplifier, on a higher supply rail than the output stage, extends the bandwidth out to around 400 Mhz allowing high-speed drive to the mosfet output device gate, which in turn enables rapid, very high transient current delivery, into the load.

    The output mosfet is a very rugged IXYS device capable of delivering large transient currents, well in excess of 60 amps, into the load. The continuous current delivery is 4 amps. Both of these current delivery specs comfortably exceed the SL1200/SL1210 requirements with Mike New’s excellent Platter and bearing system fitted to the deck.

    Output impedance of the regulator measured <3 milliohms from DC to 80 KHz and the supply line rejection >80 dB from DC to 80 KHz.

    The output Mosfet is mounted on a copper bracket to enable fast heat removal under high current conditions.

    Mark,

    The SR5 is a high-speed series regulated power supply not a shunt regulated one. I have a high current shunt regulator design that would work with the SL1200/SL1210 but it is not as quiet as the series regulator (around 12 dB higher noise level). Also the available transient current is restricted to the current limit setting of the current source feeding the shunt element of the regulator. This regulator requires heavy thermal engineering and is more costly to implement.

    I have to go now, as food is ready (and wine I hope).

    Regards
    Paul
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    High Performance Power Supply upgrades
    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16655

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Hynes View Post
    .Mark,

    The SR5 is a high-speed series regulated power supply not a shunt regulated one. I have a high current shunt regulator design that would work with the SL1200/SL1210 but it is not as quiet as the series regulator (around 12 dB higher noise level). Also the available transient current is restricted to the current limit setting of the current source feeding the shunt element of the regulator. This regulator requires heavy thermal engineering and is more costly to implement.

    I have to go now, as food is ready (and wine I hope).

    Regards
    Paul
    Yep, just sussed that out at about 18:48 by looking at the pictures you kindly linked to I didn't think there was enough heatsinking & i couldn't see a series dissipating element such as a power resistor or possibly another mosfet used as a resistor
    Bests, Mark



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    Hi Mark,

    It's not necessarily what you use. How you use it can be significant.

    Have a good Christmas and I hope the New Year is a good one for you.

    Regards
    Paul
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    Thanks for that excellent circuit description, Paul. I didn't think it was a shunt regulator as I ran it at work all day on zero-load soak and there was no heat!

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    High power shunt regulators eat power and are relatively expensive to run. This is relevant with electricity costs spiralling ever upwards , although just like a class A amplifier, you can use them for background heating as well as powering equipment.

    One thing I did not mention in my last post regarding power connection from the SR5 to the SL1200/1210. I am not particularly pleased with the performance of the DC connectors used in much consumer electronics nowadays. They are really designed for low cost equipment and their contact resistance and reliability can be questionable. Even the ones using a screw-locking collar do not inspire me with confidence with regards to providing a reliable long-term low impedance connection.

    I have fitted a 2.5mm DC connector in parallel with the SR5 XLR DC output connector for some of you, who for convenience, wanted to use the Timestep DC lead already fitted to your deck. For reliability and better sound quality I recommend using the XLR DC outlet on the back of the SR5, rather than the 2.5mm DC connector, as the XLR is a much better connector with a contact resistance spec of <3 milliohms. The pin configuration for the XLR on the back panel is pin 1 = 0v and pin 4 = +21v. If you decide to make yourself a new DC lead, use quality wire with a decent current rating and preferably use a high quality XLR plug as the low cost ones have questionable performance. Also make sure you get the polarity of the power correct as you will do damage to the SL deck electronics if you do not. You should hear a worthwhile improvement with a high quality cable/XLR lead replacement. For even lower impedance I can fit a Jeager industrial precision connector to the SR5 as a custom option, which specs at <1 milliohm contact resistance.

    Regards
    Paul
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    High Performance Power Supply upgrades
    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16655

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    Thanks, Paul. Any idea where I can source a 4-pin XLR plug, as they seem rare compared with 3-pin?

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    Scratch that, found Neutrik connectors at CPC.

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    Hi Martin,

    I use Deltron silver plated connectors from Farnell. Neutrik are another good make.

    Regards
    Paul
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    High Performance Power Supply upgrades
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    Hi Paul,

    I've been rather busy and will contribute more to this thread later, but regarding this:

    Also make sure you get the polarity of the power correct as you will do damage to the SL deck electronics if you do not.
    How would you know what is correct or incorrect in that respect? Anthony will likely be doing the job for me

    The reason I ask is that I've obtained a high-quality DC cable from Kimber which I'd like to fit to my 1210.

    I'd also like to fit it to the XLR plug you supplied with the adaptors you made up to take a 2.5mm DC connector, so that the end of the adaptor (with the XLR plug) goes into the SR5, presuming that the XLR plug you used is of decent quality for the job I have in mind?

    Therefore, your advice on this would be appreciated

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Hi Marco,

    The power supply 0 volt terminal (pin 1) would be wired to the ground point on the control printed circuit board at the same point the timestep lead 0 volt wire is connected, and the +21 volt terminal (pin4) would be wired to the same point that the Timestep +ve wire is connected to the board.

    Anthony will know what to do.

    For others who are competent wiremen Shuggie has posted about this in

    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8118

    For those that are not confident with internal modifications seek help from someone who has good diy abilities or find a good pro electronics engineer who can do it for you. You can also ship the deck to me for modification if this is your preference although I will charge for my time, as would any other engineer.

    It’s not a difficult mod, you just have to pay attention to what you are doing and check your work thoroughly before applying power.

    For those wishing to implement the internal dual regulated modification, details will be posted shortly.

    Regards
    Paul
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    High Performance Power Supply upgrades
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