Mike New platter, Oyaide MJ-12 mat & STB-MS stabiliser arrive at Marco Towers...

[MCRU]

This has always been the case though as there have always been lots of roads one can travel down....more now with the advent of the web.

Dare I suggest..... though and I am being general here, but one of the problems with some forums and the replies given is that they are given by those who just like the sound of their own typed voice and the words typed are groundless..... as those words have no actual relevant experience behind them. It is this sort of thing which makes the thread starters life difficult imho. Oh yes and I haven't mentioned those who just want to start a fight..... because you hear something and they can't or don't want to

My rule is I only comment if I can actual help and know something about or have direct experience of the topic being discussed....anything else is a waste of time and helps no one.


Regards D S D L

quite correct

too many Mike Tyson's on forums. luckily not many here

[theophile]

Excuse us for having an opinion.Now where's that unsubscribe page....

[MCRU]

Excuse us for having an opinion.Now where's that unsubscribe page....

now now, have a beer

[Spectral Morn]

Excuse us for having an opinion.Now where's that unsubscribe page....

Not sure what the problem is. No one was commenting on the high quality comments that have been posted in this thread (or AOS in general) or their posters....


Regards D S D L

[Ammonite Audio]

The Applied Fidelity mat looks to me like a completely sensible bit of design, at least the version that bolts onto the Technics platter. I do believe that the benefits of the MN platter have little to do with mass, but everything to do with mechanical integrity and strength. The Applied Fidelity mat must impart a significant extra bit of strength and stiffness to the stock platter, while providing a good interface with the record. If I still had my Technics, I'd give one a whirl!

[prestonchipfryer]

Are there not enough frying pans in the fire already? 100's of suppliers on forums all eager to offer help and advice but ultimately wanting something in return but not getting it because some helpful soul then suggests something else and the poor end user cannot make his mind up so gets frustrated and leaves. Seen it all before, WHF is the best, poor guy asks for an HDMI cable and gets 78 replies all saying this one and that one, not being funny of course just an observation.

The TT mat being a prime example.

Perhaps Marco could expand the suppliers section to include TT tweaks if he has not already done so?

Yes agree entirely. Confusion reigns: platter? bearing? mat? just play some bloody music and stop carping! David, your mains cables are stunning by the way.

Regards

John

[Marco]

Gotta dash out in a minute, guys - so just to quickly address the following:

Hi David,

Perhaps Marco could expand the suppliers section to include TT tweaks if he has not already done so?

That's a good idea - I'll get onto it A.S.A.P

Hi Neil,

All fair points but not everyone can afford to go straight to Mike's products. Better folks start somewhere than nowhere in my opinion and they now have more choices as to where to go. No doubt each option has its + and - and some will suit some set ups better than others but at least the choices are now out there.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more! I said as much in my 'final conclusions' earlier. It just depends on how far you want to go.

In my view though, there are no downsides whatsoever, sonically, to using any of Mike's SL-1200/1210 modifications, whether it's his high-precision bearing or copper composite platter. Quite simply, they fundamentally address significant weaknesses (due to understandable budget constraints) in the basic design of the SL-1200/1210.

The harsh reality, whether it is unpalatable for some or not, is that Mike is currently the only one we know of doing anything genuinely innovative in terms of radically modifying (and improving) the core design of the SL-1200.

And that situation will remain until someone else has the tooling and necessary skills to re-engineer the required critical components, and crucially, provide such modifications to enthusiasts at anything resembling an affordable price!

Ummmm I think your last comment is a little unfair as neither you (you have heard many more than me) nor I have heard all the options. Some mentioned today may offer some very interesting takes on things...

I'm quite sure the mods other people are offering will significantly improve the performance of the Techie. However, the comment wasn't unfair - it was simply factual. The reason others aren't providing radical modifications to SL-1200/1210 is because they don't have the necessary tooling or engineering skills. It's as simple as that

Dare I suggest..... though and I am being general here, but one of the problems with some forums and the replies given is that they are given by those who just like the sound of their own typed voice and the words typed are groundless..... as those words have no actual relevant experience behind them.

You're absolutely right, and it does my head in. However on AoS the standard of contributions is generally much higher than that, and people will usually only comment on things they've had actual experience of using or of listening to.

Hi Chris,

But i must point out for me there is a question mark on what the original Technics SL1200mk2 chassis can take in terms of the extra mass , hence Mike's stiffening plate .

That may or may not be the case, but it's not something that is easy to ascertain with any certainty. As for Mike's bearing base plate, this is something that I will have fitted later in order to assess any benefit it has separately.

If you remember, I was initially quite sceptical of the likely benefits of Mike's much heavier platter, due to the effect the added mass would have on the whole turntable, chassis included.

However, as ever with these things, the proof of the pudding is in the listening - and also in the actual use of the product concerned.

The fact is the MN platter massively improves the sonic performance of the Techie, with no downsides whatsoever that I can detect. At the end of the day (for me) that's all that matters, as one can speculate and theorise until the cows come home and get nowhere.

Practical experience is ultimately what counts. Having now had that, the Mike New platter undoubtedly delivers - BIG time!!

One more thing Marco ! the SL1200 with MN bearing and your new platter would benefit from a thorough testing from someone like Noel keywood or Richard Black , i know you may scoff at the idea but i think its important and the results will be there for all to see

I would have no objection to that whatsoever, so if any of those chaps would be interested in testing my T/T, accordingly - bring it on!

Right, I must dash!

Laters,
Marco.

P.S Theo - chillax, dude. No-one here, as far as I can see, was criticising your perfectly valid opinion.

[MartinT]

To avoid thread drift I've posted a message about the Achromat + Vaseline here:
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...692#post169692

[MCRU]

Each day goes by another tweak comes along for the Technics, I have plenty of grease, maybe we should try different types as it comes in 3 or 4 different thicknesses? I have some extra tacky grease as well and even some with clay powder mixed in, that is red coloured though, I think clear would be best maybe?

[MartinT]

Give it a go, David. I'm sitting here listening to my original EMI pressing of Dark Side of the Moon (not the rather poor Mo-Fi cut) and I've never heard it sound better.

I think the Vaseline is a good consistency in that you can spread it fairly thinly and it oozes under weight to provide a complete bond. By all means try thicker and let us know what you think. I'm really amazed at the difference I'm hearing.

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