LISTENING-what not to hear- OR THE BASE LINE

**Marco** · 01-09-2010, 15:29

Hi Martin,

I'm not so sure about this; to me the instant euphony of valve equipment (with a few exceptions) is an easy fix.

Out of interest, would you say the TD copper amp that you heard in your system was one of those exceptions?

Certainly in my system, there is none of the euphony of valves of which you speak (neither the copper amp nor my Croft preamp possess that quality), and indeed I definitely did not move from soild-state to valves to gain euphony - in fact, quite the opposite!

I do very much agree with the rest of your post, though

Marco.

MartinT · 01-09-2010, 16:19

Originally Posted by Marco

Out of interest, would you say the TD copper amp that you heard in your system was one of those exceptions?

Yes I would and it was the Copper amp I was remembering when I said there were exceptions. That amp and my Chord were so surprisingly close in sound that it gave the lie to the technology being necessarily different. I guess it's just the implementation that mostly gives valves their euphonic nature. I'm thinking of my Leak Stereo 20 and Rogers Cadet amps as typical examples that will make any system sound good, glossing over issues that transistors might bring to the fore.

**Steve Eddy** · 01-09-2010, 17:29

Originally Posted by MartinT

I guess it's just the implementation that mostly gives valves their euphonic nature.

Bingo.

se

**Marco** · 01-09-2010, 18:06

Hi Martin,

Yes I would and it was the Copper amp I was remembering when I said there were exceptions. That amp and my Chord were so surprisingly close in sound that it gave the lie to the technology being necessarily different. I guess it's just the implementation that mostly gives valves their euphonic nature.

Indeed, and also the type of valves used, and whether the amp in question is single-ended or push-pull.

Anthony's KT88 P/P designs, with the right speakers, have all the drive and 'balls' of a solid-state 'muscle' amp (what's your Chord rated at again - 350W?), together with the texture and tonal colour of a good valve amp.

As long as you use the right speakers, you can have the best of both worlds with a top-notch valve amp!

Marco.

**John** · 01-09-2010, 18:12

As pointed out not all valve amps are euphonic in nature and when partnered correctly have balls, scale and speed

MartinT · 01-09-2010, 20:40

Originally Posted by Marco

what's your Chord rated at again - 350W?

Yes, 350Wpc into 8 ohms, 620Wpc into 4 ohms.

**Marco** · 01-09-2010, 21:26

Lol - madness... And yet strangely, the copper amp, rated at only 30W, sounded just as 'powerful'.

Marco.

MartinT · 01-09-2010, 21:58

My Ushers don't really need that much power to go too loud to think. It's a trait of larger speakers to be more efficient and your Tannoys would be similar.

**Marco** · 01-09-2010, 22:04

Indeed

Btw, on a different subject, I hooked up Paul's SR5 PSU today.... All I can say is 'Bloody Hell', this thing is awesome!

I can't wait to hear it with your platter.

Marco.

MartinT · 01-09-2010, 22:29

Agreed, I had Shuggie's SR5 running my Techie and it did sound good, unlike the SR3 where I couldn't hear a difference from the Timestep.

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