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  1. #81
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    Thanks guys. Looking forward to changing these but other projects are the queue first - will cover these later.

    Another change was the pre amp - used to use a Myryad Z40 which worked very well but fancied a change.
    Always used Michell turntable and lusted after the pre amps but couldn't afford etc... one came up on a HiFi forum which had also be tweaked by Tom Evans to his Vibe 1.5 level.

    It was an Argo HR but now changed - the changes include that I am aware of but not limited to:
    Single volume pot
    Replaced all RCA connectors with solid copper ones
    Not sure whether the circuit board is replaced or just tweaked - hopefully someone more knowledgeable will know
    It lost the tape input but gained a headphone socket which also sounds very good!

    Also it came with the a Tom Evans PSU so performs very well indeed.





    Cheers
    Main system:
    Analogue.
    Michell Orbe with arm decoupling kit & Pete's Pylons. SME V arm, Denon DL103M (FGS), Firebottle OPT MKII phono amp
    Technic SP-10 in Obsidian plinth, AT1010 PMAC v8b arm, Goldring Elite MC Cart and BB3 Phono Amp
    Technics RS-BX404 Cassette Deck
    Network Player.
    Raspberry PI plus R2-R DAC (also used as a CD player) plus Pi NAS Server
    Digital.
    Marantz CD50SE
    Pre Amp.
    Michell Argo HR - Tweaked by Tom Evans to Vibe 1.5 spec plus TEAD PSU
    Power Amp.
    Michell Alecto Stereo
    Speakers.
    ER Audio ESL III Electrostatic Speakers
    HeadPhones.
    Sennheiser HD545 Ref, HD600, HD477

  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete The Cat View Post
    Wow. Something I like about electrostatics is that they're an uncompromising statement. No hiding them, and no rare wood or designer sculpture to placate other members of the household.

    I haven't heard of this model before. How did you come across them?
    I agree with that Pete, they do look cool imo. It's just a shame they have to be so BIG and so W I D E (obviously no getting round that). I would have to move house or build a dedicated room.

    A lottery win would sort that. Doesn't have to be Euro Millions, I'm not greedy. Just enough to build a big enough room so speaker size doesn't matter

    Andy, do they work well close to the front wall? Whenever I'd heard electrostatics or panel speakers (Magneplanar and recently Fonica Flag M), they all had a fair bit of space behind them.
    I just dropped in, to see what condition my condition was in

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon Quintet Blue. Phono: Project Tube Box CD: Marantz CD6006 (UK Edition); Amp: Musical Fidelity A5 Integrated.
    Speakers: KEF Reference 3, REL T9i subwoofer. Cables: Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Arcam A75 integrated, Monitor Audio R852 MD speakers
    A/V:
    LG OLED65 G56LS, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL T9i sub.


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  3. #83
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    They are about 2 foot from the wall and to my ears sound very good - yet to experiment with further placement changes yet so will report back when I have but could probably only come out a further 40 cm or so.
    I still have my speakers behind so will get those moved soon to see how that affects the sound.
    Main system:
    Analogue.
    Michell Orbe with arm decoupling kit & Pete's Pylons. SME V arm, Denon DL103M (FGS), Firebottle OPT MKII phono amp
    Technic SP-10 in Obsidian plinth, AT1010 PMAC v8b arm, Goldring Elite MC Cart and BB3 Phono Amp
    Technics RS-BX404 Cassette Deck
    Network Player.
    Raspberry PI plus R2-R DAC (also used as a CD player) plus Pi NAS Server
    Digital.
    Marantz CD50SE
    Pre Amp.
    Michell Argo HR - Tweaked by Tom Evans to Vibe 1.5 spec plus TEAD PSU
    Power Amp.
    Michell Alecto Stereo
    Speakers.
    ER Audio ESL III Electrostatic Speakers
    HeadPhones.
    Sennheiser HD545 Ref, HD600, HD477

  4. #84
    Join Date: Aug 2009

    Location: Staffordshire, England

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    Quote Originally Posted by gninnam View Post
    So true about their imposing nature!
    The plan is to change the appearance as the wood finish is just varnish and a lot of areas it has started to flake off so I will strip the varnish off and then darken the frames.

    I am on several other forums and on one of them, one of the members was having a 'cull' of his HiFi gear and offered these speakers to the first person who showed interest which happens to me.
    I went to his house to check them out and have a listen and thought they sounded really good so would have them.

    Hired a van as to big for my car and the rest is history.
    Really loving the sound quality (looks are OK) and plan to keep them for some time.
    If you match the finish to your fireplace surround that might work?
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > Troels Gravesen Faital 3WC-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    If you match the finish to your fireplace surround that might work?
    If you grew your hair a bit you could pass for Lawrence Llewellyn Bowen
    I just dropped in, to see what condition my condition was in

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon Quintet Blue. Phono: Project Tube Box CD: Marantz CD6006 (UK Edition); Amp: Musical Fidelity A5 Integrated.
    Speakers: KEF Reference 3, REL T9i subwoofer. Cables: Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Arcam A75 integrated, Monitor Audio R852 MD speakers
    A/V:
    LG OLED65 G56LS, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL T9i sub.


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    That's a gorgeous Technics Andy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    I agree with that Pete, they do look cool imo. It's just a shame they have to be so BIG and so W I D E (obviously no getting round that). I would have to move house or build a dedicated room.

    Andy, do they work well close to the front wall? Whenever I'd heard electrostatics or panel speakers (Magneplanar and recently Fonica Flag M), they all had a fair bit of space behind them.

    Lovely system you have there Andy. Well done! I love both the Technics deck and the SME arm and would put them together if they were mine.

    Apropos the speakers, most if not all, planar speakers have a dipole polar sound distribution. That is, almost as much sound is radiated from the rear of the speaker as from the front. Therefore the speakers ideally need to be placed about a metre away from any hard surface behind them in order to prevent problems with reflection. If the rear wall has some sound absorbing material on it then you might be able to get away with a smaller distance.

    To answer Steve's question: all planar speakers need to be reasonably large so as to move a sufficient volume of air. Planar speakers have a limit on the amount their diaphragms can move. For electrostatic speakers, the charged diaphragm is located between a pair of perforated driving electrodes spaced only a few mm apart. Thus the amount of fore/aft movement is very small, so the area has to be made large to compensate. Electrostatic speakers are thus either wide or tall, and in some cases both.
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    If you match the finish to your fireplace surround that might work?
    Could do but will see
    Main system:
    Analogue.
    Michell Orbe with arm decoupling kit & Pete's Pylons. SME V arm, Denon DL103M (FGS), Firebottle OPT MKII phono amp
    Technic SP-10 in Obsidian plinth, AT1010 PMAC v8b arm, Goldring Elite MC Cart and BB3 Phono Amp
    Technics RS-BX404 Cassette Deck
    Network Player.
    Raspberry PI plus R2-R DAC (also used as a CD player) plus Pi NAS Server
    Digital.
    Marantz CD50SE
    Pre Amp.
    Michell Argo HR - Tweaked by Tom Evans to Vibe 1.5 spec plus TEAD PSU
    Power Amp.
    Michell Alecto Stereo
    Speakers.
    ER Audio ESL III Electrostatic Speakers
    HeadPhones.
    Sennheiser HD545 Ref, HD600, HD477

  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post


    That's a gorgeous Technics Andy
    Cheers Tim - for me it is one of the best SP10's I have seen
    Main system:
    Analogue.
    Michell Orbe with arm decoupling kit & Pete's Pylons. SME V arm, Denon DL103M (FGS), Firebottle OPT MKII phono amp
    Technic SP-10 in Obsidian plinth, AT1010 PMAC v8b arm, Goldring Elite MC Cart and BB3 Phono Amp
    Technics RS-BX404 Cassette Deck
    Network Player.
    Raspberry PI plus R2-R DAC (also used as a CD player) plus Pi NAS Server
    Digital.
    Marantz CD50SE
    Pre Amp.
    Michell Argo HR - Tweaked by Tom Evans to Vibe 1.5 spec plus TEAD PSU
    Power Amp.
    Michell Alecto Stereo
    Speakers.
    ER Audio ESL III Electrostatic Speakers
    HeadPhones.
    Sennheiser HD545 Ref, HD600, HD477

  10. #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Lovely system you have there Andy. Well done! I love both the Technics deck and the SME arm and would put them together if they were mine.

    Apropos the speakers, most if not all, planar speakers have a dipole polar sound distribution. That is, almost as much sound is radiated from the rear of the speaker as from the front. Therefore the speakers ideally need to be placed about a metre away from any hard surface behind them in order to prevent problems with reflection. If the rear wall has some sound absorbing material on it then you might be able to get away with a smaller distance.

    To answer Steve's question: all planar speakers need to be reasonably large so as to move a sufficient volume of air. Planar speakers have a limit on the amount their diaphragms can move. For electrostatic speakers, the charged diaphragm is located between a pair of perforated driving electrodes spaced only a few mm apart. Thus the amount of fore/aft movement is very small, so the area has to be made large to compensate. Electrostatic speakers are thus either wide or tall, and in some cases both.
    Thanks Barry - The SME V used to be on the SP10 and it was good, but the AT1010 just works better for my ears (not eyes) for the SQ.

    Yep, I am aware of how they work regarding the rear radiation.
    At the moment, where they are positioned and from my listening chair, they do sound very good but I know they can be improved upon.
    First will be to remove the speakers from behind and judge what has changed - baby steps and all that
    Main system:
    Analogue.
    Michell Orbe with arm decoupling kit & Pete's Pylons. SME V arm, Denon DL103M (FGS), Firebottle OPT MKII phono amp
    Technic SP-10 in Obsidian plinth, AT1010 PMAC v8b arm, Goldring Elite MC Cart and BB3 Phono Amp
    Technics RS-BX404 Cassette Deck
    Network Player.
    Raspberry PI plus R2-R DAC (also used as a CD player) plus Pi NAS Server
    Digital.
    Marantz CD50SE
    Pre Amp.
    Michell Argo HR - Tweaked by Tom Evans to Vibe 1.5 spec plus TEAD PSU
    Power Amp.
    Michell Alecto Stereo
    Speakers.
    ER Audio ESL III Electrostatic Speakers
    HeadPhones.
    Sennheiser HD545 Ref, HD600, HD477

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