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  1. #191
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    Hmmm....
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    Hamish,

    Unless I'm very much mistaken, the main core of Techie Tweakers in the UK tend to post on here. Indeed, I doubt that David Price would have been quite as interested financially (on his own turntable) without the likes of Marco waxing so vociferously about how good this deck can become.

    When one admires a piece of hifi gear as much as Marco does his Techie deck and has the finances available to purchase these upgrades and post after post on how wonderful they are, thus helping sales of these upgrades, then I honestly think that he should be allowed to field test it. The same with power supplies. The Paul Hynes derived supply looks to be a genuine alternative to the Timestep - why should one person have the monopoly on this? - and if it gives a good performance, then Timestep should be able to test it and either condemn it because of genuine measurable shortcomings, or praise it as another excellent alternative (and update the Timestep accordingly ).
    FFS people, a happy and delighted Marco would bring in LOADS of extra online business - and I'm sure that if he was loaned a prototype, he would treat it as such and report accordingly.

    I remember when Linn were about to launch some lower cost speakers. They were then caught between the soggy, over bloated sound of the LP12 of the period and the "correct" balance of CD (playing badly mastered material which was often too brightly lit in balance). They acquired samples of all the best selling lower-cost speakers (I saw them all at the factory and all the usual suspects were there from Heybrook, Misiion, Mordaunt Short etc.. and probably Royd as well) to find out what Joe-Public liked to buy. I can't say I liked the first issue Index speaker, but later ones were better and the Helix rather good..

    I just wish ego's didn't get put out of joint so easily, as improving the Techie is an important issue, especially as the deck with most mods still fits in so well to a domestic setting (much as I greatly admire the Terminator Tonearm, I don't think many lady music-lovers would give it house room )

    That's my lot on this. Good luck and I sincerely hope the platter brings about an improvement to the table and also at a lower cost if this can be achieved.
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  3. #193
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    Hello DaveR,

    From historical experience I would be disinclined to expect an unbiased power supply comparison from Timestep.

    An independent assessment would be good.

    Regards
    Paul
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  4. #194
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    Hamish,

    Unless I'm very much mistaken, the main core of Techie Tweakers in the UK tend to post on here. Indeed, I doubt that David Price would have been quite as interested financially (on his own turntable) without the likes of Marco waxing so vociferously about how good this deck can become.

    When one admires a piece of hifi gear as much as Marco does his Techie deck and has the finances available to purchase these upgrades and post after post on how wonderful they are, thus helping sales of these upgrades, then I honestly think that he should be allowed to field test it. The same with power supplies. The Paul Hynes derived supply looks to be a genuine alternative to the Timestep - why should one person have the monopoly on this? - and if it gives a good performance, then Timestep should be able to test it and either condemn it because of genuine measurable shortcomings, or praise it as another excellent alternative (and update the Timestep accordingly ).
    FFS people, a happy and delighted Marco would bring in LOADS of extra online business - and I'm sure that if he was loaned a prototype, he would treat it as such and report accordingly.

    I remember when Linn were about to launch some lower cost speakers. They were then caught between the soggy, over bloated sound of the LP12 of the period and the "correct" balance of CD (playing badly mastered material which was often too brightly lit in balance). They acquired samples of all the best selling lower-cost speakers (I saw them all at the factory and all the usual suspects were there from Heybrook, Misiion, Mordaunt Short etc.. and probably Royd as well) to find out what Joe-Public liked to buy. I can't say I liked the first issue Index speaker, but later ones were better and the Helix rather good..

    I just wish ego's didn't get put out of joint so easily, as improving the Techie is an important issue, especially as the deck with most mods still fits in so well to a domestic setting (much as I greatly admire the Terminator Tonearm, I don't think many lady music-lovers would give it house room )

    That's my lot on this. Good luck and I sincerely hope the platter brings about an improvement to the table and also at a lower cost if this can be achieved.
    Superb stuff, Dave. You've hit the nail on the head. There's nothing I can really add to that, other than to say let's hope it sinks in, particularly the bit in bold, which I hope Dave hasn't forgotten

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    Hamish,

    Unless I'm very much mistaken, the main core of Techie Tweakers in the UK tend to post on here. Indeed, I doubt that David Price would have been quite as interested financially (on his own turntable) without the likes of Marco waxing so vociferously about how good this deck can become.

    When one admires a piece of hifi gear as much as Marco does his Techie deck and has the finances available to purchase these upgrades and post after post on how wonderful they are, thus helping sales of these upgrades, then I honestly think that he should be allowed to field test it. The same with power supplies. The Paul Hynes derived supply looks to be a genuine alternative to the Timestep - why should one person have the monopoly on this? - and if it gives a good performance, then Timestep should be able to test it and either condemn it because of genuine measurable shortcomings, or praise it as another excellent alternative (and update the Timestep accordingly ).
    FFS people, a happy and delighted Marco would bring in LOADS of extra online business - and I'm sure that if he was loaned a prototype, he would treat it as such and report accordingly.
    im just trying to help avoid a situation the ferther exacerbates this 'situation'
    ... anyway ... im out of all this now, it none of my business anyway....
    CS Port TAT2 - Benz LPS - Funkfirm Houdini - DS Audio Vinyl Ionizer - CS Port C3EQ - Kondo G70 - Kondo Gakuoh II - Maxonic TW1100 MKII - Isol-8 SubStation Integra

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    I think it's best to just go with the flow now, matey, and see what happens from here.......

    Hopefully Mike will let us know more about his suggestion in due course

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  7. #197
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    There's a bargepole that I'm going to try to avoid touching for not touching this whole subject from now on I think...
    I have bette things to concern my self with - namely lying on my sofa with the window wide open and the sun pouring in whilst listening to my hifi, drinking icy cold guinness and smoking - It's much more a pleasant thing to be doing than worrying my self unnessarily about who might or might not be getting pissed off with who ... Footballs on soon to and despite not being a fan a such, I am very much a fan of going to the pub with a shit load of my mates and drinking even more icy cold Guinness!
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    Yay, now that sounds like a plan - enjoy!

    We're just about to barbecue a rack of lamb and open up some vino before watching the England game, which I predict they'll win 2-1

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Superb stuff, Dave. You've hit the nail on the head. There's nothing I can really add to that, other than to say let's hope it sinks in

    Marco.
    I thought I'd gone too far and dealt with it accordingly. But thanks anyway
    I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
    I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?

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    No worries. Just one thing before I go off and watch the football...

    The Paul Hynes derived supply looks to be a genuine alternative to the Timestep
    Oh it most certainly is, trust me

    why should one person have the monopoly on this?
    They won't on AOS. Products are judged here solely on their sonic merit, value for money and reliability, regardless of who designs them. There is, and never will be, any favouritism!

    That's simply the way it's got to be.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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