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    I above all would like to resolve all the concerns people have. Indeed the platter could be made less heavy, or more so if required!! Unfortunately I only have a Tektronix 475 scope and am not set up with all the measuring equipment needed to produce the measurements required. David among others has. Perhaps in the future HFW will take on the challenge.

    What I have done is to design and machine a totally new platter which I know has illiminated most of the shortcomings inherent in the existing one and which all of you were looking foward to since the release of my High Precision bearing. I guess what we need now are some listening evaluations. I honestly do not believe that a large mass of electronic data and measurments is really going to mean a great deal to anyone, as the numbers will be to small to be meaningful or even to be accurately and concisely measured. As Tony has suggested any differences may be infinitely small and therefore below the mean noise threshold of the masuring device.

    There is a particular user in the US who is using my platter with two copper mats plus center weight!! That make the total weight about 10Kg!!!!! and his initial response to me is very impressive, however it is not my position to pre-empt any comments he may post in the near future. He is probably taking his time over doing a series of subjective listening tests.

    In order to resolve this impass I have suggested to Dave that he provide the platter to someone like Martin or Chris or Marco so that real listening tests can be conducted, perhaps using a series of specificly chosen records from Jazz, vocal, through to classics and in particular Piano.

    I can undestand the concerns of all, the platter is not an inexpensive addition to the SL. However Dave and I are looking at ways to get the price down.

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    Mike
    I think this would really help those who are interested in your platter
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    Hi Mike,

    Your kind gesture is very much appreciated and this now drastically changes the situation for the better!

    The problem has never been with you, as you show the right kind of attitude and I've always found you very forthcoming and helpful.

    In order to resolve this impass I have suggested to Dave that he provide the platter to someone like Martin or Chris or Marco so that real listening tests can be conducted, perhaps using a series of specificly chosen records from Jazz, vocal, through to classics and in particular Piano.
    Dave should be thanked here, too. Look, this has always been about people interested in buying the platter being given as much information about how it works (and sounds) as possible - there is no other agenda!

    So let's move things on positively now so we can all benefit. Let's face it, realistically, no-one's going to shell out £650 for a completely unknown quantity, so if you guys (Dave and you) want to sell platters, then lending out a test sample to potential buyers is the only way forward.

    I'd still like to see Dave produce some sort of meaningful test results, if possible, as I suggested earlier, to back-up our subjective observations.

    However in the meantime, what I'd suggest is that he sends a platter and an HE PSU to Martin, with full instructions on how to fit the former, and providing Martin is ok with this, we have a bake-off at his place to listen to the platter/HE PSU and carry out some comparisons, and that Chris and me (and also Hamish?) attend. We can thrash a date out between us that's mutually convenient and then report the results later on the forum.

    Is everyone involved agreeable with this?

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

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    erm ... yeah... not sure of the likely hood of

    he sends a platter and an HE PSU to Martin
    at your suggestion to be honest marco... perhaps you should wait for someone to buy one when dave and mike are ready for general release and have published some of there findings.... ....
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    Hamish,

    Mike's already said that Dave will send one of us a platter (unless Dave refuses Mike's suggestion, which I'd like to think won't be the case):

    In order to resolve this impass I have suggested to Dave that he provide the platter to someone like Martin or Chris or Marco...


    So I thought Dave (when he's happy with it) could also send an HE PSU for evaluation, along with the platter, as the latter apparently won't perform optimally without the former........

    Anyway, let's see what happens. I just wanted to thank Mike for his gesture and see if Martin was ok for a bake-off at his when all the bits are in place

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Hmmm... I'm not sure some parties involved are being put in entierly comfortable positions by this marco.
    If I were in your shoes I would concider bowing out of all of this at least for the time being. Mike might have suggested that dave send out a platter to someone... But let's face it the chance of that someone being you, or indeed being conected to you in the way you propose, is IMHO small.
    I think your involment in any bakeoff is likely to put others involved in an uncomfortable situation concidering the circumstances.
    I know you are interested in the platter and it's merits or otherwise, but it might be wise concidering your relationship with dave as it stands if you sit this one out... Just an observation of course... And I hope you can take it for it's good intentions!
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    Hamish,

    Let's just see what happens. Mike's obviously mentioned it to Dave, otherwise he wouldn't have posted to that effect here.

    Sorry, there's no way I'm 'bowing out' of anything, and nor should I be expected to! I'm shocked that you should even suggest that. Dave can do what he wants, and I'll do the same.

    Now I appreciate your advice, mate, but it's not helping matters, so please, unless you have something to add regarding the proposed sonic effect of the platter, or anything else in relation to that, leave it there.

    Mike,

    Keep us posted on the platter loan sample situation

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Hmmm.... I shall leave it there marco, but it is only honest well meaning advice I offer!
    I have no motives other than to try and keep a level of peace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish View Post
    Hmmm.... I shall leave it there marco
    A wise choice

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    I shall leave it there marco, but it is only honest well meaning advice I offer!
    I have no motives other than to try and keep a level of peace!
    Thanks. Yes I know, but no disrespect, I don't need a personal advisor, so please no more pearls of wisdom.

    Let's just see how the situation develops. Mike's obviously trying to help, so let's see what he comes up with

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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