Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[struth]

good for you; im glad; i had pretty good immune system once too believe it or not. no idea in what shape its in now tbh.. but the swine flu pandemic did for my lungs. sad but true. not taken a really deep breath since.
i wouldnt wish it on anyone

[Marco]

Yup, Del also got swine flu (which developed into pneumonia, then costochondritis) and has never been the same since.

Marco.

[struth]

Yup, Del also got swine flu (which developed into pneumonia, then costochondritis) and has never been the same since.

Marco.

yeah i get that too.. quite painful it is too.. i was lucky, my bro was told i wouldnt likely make it, but i did.. no one bar my bro was allowed to visit, and him only once. of the 2, 6 man wards, 4 died..

[mad-moon]

Indeed, but you also have to consider QUALITY of life. not simply just 'being alive' and merely existing. I'm not referring here to the circumstances Adam was in, but simply to matters in general and also to the current situation.

Therefore, if for talking's sake, the choice were to come between being alive, but essentially a prisoner in your own home for goodness knows how long, out of fear of catching the virus (as even vaccines cannot provide immunity forever, or even close to it), and being controlled and ruled by the state, or dead and 'free', I'd chose the latter every time, as simply existing under those conditions would be NO life.

As I've said before, there's little point in being alive, if you can't LIVE!

Marco.

My point there Marco is...but for medicine and advancement, neither you or I or most of us, might not have even been born....and we wouldn't be having this discussion...

[Macca]

My point there Marco is...but for medicine and advancement, neither you or I or most of us, might not have even been born....and we wouldn't be having this discussion...

True. Go back just 100 years and a fair percentage of us would not have survived past infancy.

[mad-moon]

True. Go back just 100 years and a fair percentage of us would not have survived past infancy.

they were only able to cure TB 75 years ago...My pal's in his late 80's now and it nearly killed him, he was in hospital for months

[Marco]

My point there Marco is...but for medicine and advancement, neither you or I or most of us, might not have even been born....and we wouldn't be having this discussion...

Sure, I accept that, but that doesn't dilute the value of the point I was making. I have a BIG problem with how large pharma have eroded our ability to benefit from what nature has to offer. In that respect, the Chinese have got it right and are probably a 100 years ahead of us, when it comes to natural remedies, and which have ZERO side-effects!

The fact is, if we truly knew all the benefits, medically and nutritionally, our trees and plants had to offer, then we'd be less reliant on drugs, to treat certain conditions, and likely far healthier on many levels - but of course there's no money in it for the large pharma, producing all the drugs!

And because of the huge influence they have now on medicine, I HATE how much they get to control the agenda... That's my point

Marco.

[Barry]

Then you should have bought a DVD player built to western manufacturers specs right from the start...how many Chinese DVD players did you buy before you decided to buy a reliable one..you get what you pay for...even the very reliable player you bought will be 50% chinese components and probably more, you can't escape it....My home has British telecom telephones, have a guess where they were made....kettles, toasters, televisions, disc players, amplifiers, speakers, computers, mobile phones, electric ovens, fridge freezers and list goes on and on and on....Chinese components in there somewhere..and I'll say again..all cheap and to the most, very reliable. ....

You have been fortunate. My experience is somewhat different.


Made in the country of origin, using component parts made there; most of the items are old (30 to 45 years) and are still working well:

Audio

Turntables: Swiss or German
Pickup arms: Swiss, British or Japanese
Cartridges: American, Japanese, Danish or British
SUTs: Japanese
Phonostages: American, or British
Amplifiers: American, or British
CDP: American, or German
Tuners: British, or Danish
Reel to reel tape: British, or Swiss
Cassette machines: Japanese
Speakers: British
Cables: British, American, Swiss, German, or Japanese

Other items

Cameras and lenses: German
Fridge: British
Freezer: British
Cooker: British
Kettle: British
Coffee maker and grinder: German
Blender: Swiss
Iron: East German
Fountain pens: American and British
Shavers: German
Hairdryer: German
Power tools (drills, saws, sanders etc.): British and Dutch


Items not made in China but containing 'uncertain' components:

Car: German
TV: Japanese
DVD: Japanese (and cost not much more than the Chinese ones I had)
BluRay: Japanese
Mobile phone: Finnish

So far all are working well, but coming from reputable manufacturers I live in hope.



Stuff made in China for Western or Japanese companies. and presumably to their design and quality control (but some of it started to develop problems, usually after about a year and had be replaced)

Computer: American
Monitor: American
Printer: Japanese
Digital camera: Japanese
BT landline phone and hub
Microwave oven: Japanese

So, a mixture of experiences; but the main reason I try to avoid anything made in China (and I agree it is very, very difficult) is I don't want to do anything to support the Chinese Communist Party with their despicable treatment of the non Han minorities, their expansionist Belt and Road project, and their insidious controlling influence in Africa.

[system7]

Not many people know this, but I have one of the World's biggest sound libraries of Historical documents. And a superb and huge record collection, if I can brag.

I happen to own a record called "Concert Classics Volume 2"

Anne Shelton sings in 1940 some terrifically cheerful songs about our (slim) chances of beating the Hun (The Nazis) in WW2.

The Fleet is in.
The Sailor with the navy blue eyes.
Frank and his Tank.

Awfully plummy voices at the BBC in those days. But we got through it. I hate revisiting the past. More interested in the future. But being interested in the present is really the best you can do. IMO.

[mad-moon]

Not many people know this, but I have one of the World's biggest sound libraries of Historical documents. And a superb and huge record collection, if I can brag.

I happen to own a record called "Concert Classics Volume 2"

Anne Shelton sings in 1940 some terrifically cheerful songs about our (slim) chances of beating the Hun (The Nazis) in WW2.

The Fleet is in.
The Sailor with the navy blue eyes.
Frank and his Tank.

Awfully plummy voices at the BBC in those days. But we got through it. I hate revisiting the past. More interested in the future. But being interested in the present is really the best you can do. IMO.

yep that's about it in a nut shell