Well I would say "yes", most definitely, but it depends what you're looking for and what your circumstances are, as Phil has outlined.
I'll never sell my Sony even when I get a computer audio set-up
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
I would say maybe, bearing in mind a reknowned hi-fi magazine use a Pioneer PDR-609 as a transport (admittedly sitting in front of a dCS Elgar) as a test source for amps and speakers. Saying that the PDR-609 is a marvellous player in its own right, but by no means high end.
The same magazine said whilst testing the Accustic Arts Tube DAC that it made no difference to the DAC what transport was popped in front of it - they even tried it with a £9.99 Alba DVD player if I remember correctly.
Lounge:
Samsung QE65QN80F 65" QLED TV
Echo Link streamer
RME Audio ADI-2 FS (AK4493) DAC
XMOS DSD Async
Emotiva A2+ power amplifier
Neat Motive SX1 speakers
Van Damme 4.00mm tour grade speaker cable
Nakamichi Fanlock banana plugs
Chord Clearway XLR interconnects
Audioquest Crimson USB interconnect
QED Quartz Reference optical interconnect
Studio:
2022 MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro 10/16/16/16
SMSL DAC
Modified Fosi P4 preamp
Adam Audio T5Vs
Fenton 10" active sub
Roxel RBS 300s
Several valve preamps
Yes, I should have realised this. I was so much in the computer audio frame of mind that I had forgotten the original thread topic. BTW, I don't think my answer to the thread topic is "no", rather "not that much". Rather line the Alba Rob mentions above, I was amazed at what a £15 Asda CD/DVD could do in front of a low budget DAC. However, I have not experienced the high end CDTs Marco has referred to - maybe if I had (or had a better system) my answer would be "yes". But for now, I am taken with the computer as source idea.
Last edited by Phil Bishop; 21-06-2008 at 21:25.
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Hi fiver,
Welcome to the forum
The answer to your question is no. I also have a computer (hence why I'm able to reply to you now). It's a computer audio set-up I don't have yet. To that end I intend to buy a music server of some type in due course.
Where are you from and what system have you got?
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
I still prefer proper CD transports to PC and Mac or DVD.
I am still interested in improving my computer audio at some point, but cost is prohibitive at the moment, and a manufacturer has bet me to the post with my dedicated audio PC transport/player based on touch screen, solid state HD and the like idea.
I am still waiting to see true 24/196 digital output and more free or less expensive downloads in this format.
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Thanks Marco, I'm from Harborne, UK, W. Mids. I have Quad with a TD124, but at the moment I'm refitting to a computer based system. I don't think the music servers will catch on with audio enthusiasts. They cost ten times as much as as computer and from what I've heard, they don't sound as good. Some dealers are pushing them, but I think that is from the profit potential. Also I think they will appeal to wealthy people who want ready made convenience at the expense of sound quality. Also you can use valves with a computer system if you want to, although I've sold my Quad2's and now use 33/303 and 34/fm4/306.
Some good points raised here, though I feel the point has been missed, the ability to stream uncorrupted high definition digital data into a transference device with zero bit errors negates the need for a physical transport to be present verbaitum.
Our new reference reply system includes both transport and *stream drive*, the transport is purely used for customers own music and back cataloging, the differences are chasmic in the least descriptives terms.
Those in the future looking for 'real' sounds will not be using a traditional method of digital data transfer to the dac. Also as desirable as nos dac are in some quarters, their performance simply can not unleash the performance of the new formats.
Transports will still be very much in evidence for making the use for people current cd collection, until the achieve onto HD.
Most interesting times afoot![]()
Coherent Systems
Real high end sound with musicality not hifi
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Mr C, is what you're saying, that for high definition audio,transports are dead except for inputting data files from discs.