What file format for digial ripping ?

**Themis** · 11-03-2010, 08:23

It takes six minutes for one CD. And you can add 2 more minutes for each additional output format used.

**twelvebears** · 11-03-2010, 11:01

Originally Posted by Themis

It takes six minutes for one CD. And you can add 2 more minutes for each additional output format used.

OK, that is a lot of 'Gnome Time' i.e. time spent hunched gnome-like over the computer feeding it CDs....

Last time I did an extended batch of ripping, Susy started calling me Golum...

**steveinspain** · 11-03-2010, 11:43

I have already ripped a few of my less than perfect cd's (ie ones that the kids have played in the car stereo - they always seem to emerge covered in scratches, so none of mine now make it into the car..)
They did take about 30 minutes using secure rip and emerged very hot to the touch.
I took a quick look at Ripcaster, who want 80p for runs of over 500, meaing I would be looking at around £2000 to get mine ripped. Think I'll be doing it myself then..
Makes me thing of having a cull of some of the less-liked ones (Alishas attic anyone ? I was given 2 of their albums by a friend who clearly either didn't know my at all or who was taking the p*ss !)

**steveinspain** · 11-03-2010, 12:50

..and I am now ripping my first since setting it all up - a new cd, and it has taken 27 minutes to do the first 3 tracks out of 16, so this may be a slow process....

**Themis** · 11-03-2010, 12:57

27 minutes !!! Do you rip locally ? I mean, the output file is local or remote ?

**Stratmangler** · 11-03-2010, 13:13

Originally Posted by dave2010

I also thought that maybe a practical solution, other than giving up the attempt, would be to use one of those Brennan JB7 devices. I've no idea how good or bad they are, but they may be good enough for at least casual listening, and my understanding is that they can rip a CD to an external drive. One limitation may be the format though as they have a limited range of target formats. However I think they can rip to WAV, from which presumably it would be possible to convert to FLAC. Maybe to make that work one would have to use Linux or a similar system which could work with script files to reformat the generated files in offline mode later on.

If that is a viable way to do this, then I might even consider it myself, even though the asking price of the JB7s is over £300. Comments?

I can't find any decent spec on the thing, which from my point of view is not good, as it usually means that you are locked into one or two formats.
From the Brennan website I can see that it does very lossy (mp3 ?), lossy (mp3 at higher bitrates ?) and uncompressed (probably WAV).
I can't see the point in archiving to a lossy compressed format such as mp3 - I just don't see the point in chucking data away.
WAV rips might do it, but you might encounter tagging issues. Can't really comment further on the tagging thing, as I have my material ripped to FLAC, which has no issues with tagging. If you have WAV files then you can convert to FLAC with an add-on compressor.

Chris

**DanJennings** · 11-03-2010, 13:14

Originally Posted by steveinspain

..and I am now ripping my first since setting it all up - a new cd, and it has taken 27 minutes to do the first 3 tracks out of 16, so this may be a slow process....

That's insane. There's something wrong there.

**Stratmangler** · 11-03-2010, 13:16

Originally Posted by steveinspain

..and I am now ripping my first since setting it all up - a new cd, and it has taken 27 minutes to do the first 3 tracks out of 16, so this may be a slow process....

What program are you using, and is it on a laptop or desktop machine ?
What format are you ripping to ?

It shouldn't be taking 27 minutes to do 3 tracks

Chris

**Peter Galbavy** · 11-03-2010, 13:17

For me a "good" takes 3-5 minutes. A "bad" CD can take half an hour or more. Some are so bad they cannot be successfully ripped.

By "good" I mean a CD that has clean metadata from FreeDB or similar, is in AccurateRip DB and is clean enough to rip at full speed with matches for all AccurateRip checksums.

Things that make a CD "bad", "badder" and "baddest" include:

* No or poor metadata, meaning I have to enter tracks by hand. Especially annoying on compilations where each artists is also required. I also like capitalisation and spacing to match my personal "ideals".

* No AccurateRip DB entries, means having to rip at least twice - even if there are no C2 errors, just to be sure the bits are constant

* Dirty or scratched CDs that result in slow ripping or multiple passes required. This then is compounded by the above - i.e. no AccurateRip entries to verify the slowly ripped stuff is good or not

* Really badly scratched or bit-rotted CDs that run at < x1 speeds. May be worth trying for a while but most of the time they go in the "try on a different drive" or "buy again 2nd hand" piles.

This is all using dbPoweramp mind.

**Stratmangler** · 11-03-2010, 13:30

Originally Posted by Peter Galbavy

................... This is all using dbPoweramp mind.

It's similar with EAC.

I have 2 optical drives in my PC - one is CD-RW, t'other is DVD-RW. If I encounter speed issues with one drive, then I try the other, and more often than not it solves the problem.
Maybe it's due to issues of disc thickness, and reflective layer depth ?

Chris

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