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    Quote Originally Posted by Filterlab View Post

    If you worked on the industrial estate I work on, you'd understand why I dislike council estates (we're surrounded by one - they're all louts, menaces, criminals and vandals), and also why I choose to live in a damn nice and expensive area. It's called working hard, working smart, bettering oneself and not relying on government hand-outs.

    Call me smug, but frankly I don't care, it's in everyone's capability to work and live to a decent standard but too many people think it's all about getting on a reality TV show and not enough believe in hard work.
    Quite a pathetic attitude, and no doubt part of the reason such exists, but of course I understand the anger and resentment one can feel toward such.

    I myself am fed up with the current goverment attitude which is helping narrow minded biggots divide classes again in britain.

    Due to goverment policies and narrow minded attitudes IT IS NOT EVERYONES RIGHT OR WITHIN THEIR CAPABILITY TO WORK, as current middle class attitude hinders and handicaps anyone within the wrong postcode regardless of capability or education.

    The goverment is currently succeeding in bastardising our society more by ensuring lower class citizens or those less financially secure are stuck with sending children to schools in catchment areas where that childs future prospects and personality and such can be handicapped, along with the parental abilities of their families.
    The goverment is also cutting spending in these areas, regadless of what some families in these areas pay toward tax and such. I myself have paid all council tax since the poll tax was introduced, and see all the benefits going to single men and women who get discounts and areas around where they live kept tip top. I have to take my son a 20 minute walk to get to a park, with a bus journey to a half decent one where midle class kids dont take their drink and drugs.

    A classic example of this countries mentality. I was unemployed once (or twice), and as such was signing on. I remember a discussion regarding the jobs I was looking for, and to my horror the job centre I attended said "this is Leith, we only advertise the low skill low wage jobs, if your after that sort of work you have to go elsewhere!". I got sent to that jobcentre due to the alphabetical order my name fell into, so anyone within a specific part of the alphabet got directed to those jobs LOL?

    When I grew up further education was a privelige, reserved for those with money who could live cheap with help from parents, I had the opportunity (as I saw it) to starve and go homeless (or live in a poor area) while trying to further my education, or take on full time employment with the education I currently had (and still live in a poor area due to low wages). I still don't know many young "educated" people who are not up to their eyeballs in debt, nor many who paid for their own education, most are middle class free loaders, who come out of that education with a superiority complex and no work skills.
    There are many students that used goverment hand outs to hide from responsabilities and work, and there are many in impoverished areas who cannot get out of their situation due to financial constraint, employers attitudes or their postcode.

    I remember an angry responce from a well off parent once when discussing drug use and town centre crime, he didn't like the opinion of the majority of this crime, and soft drug use being carried out by middle classe children. Sadly it was a fact he did not recognise, but of course we all believe all crime drug dealing and such comes from these deprived areas, not at all by middle class children who can afford cannabis or cocain, or indeed find it an ego trip or cool to sell such at night clubs, to friends and such. Most casual crime when I was younger came from families with money. Poor kids in deprived areas cannot afford such things, habits don't just start out of sitting in a council flat with no money or electric. (I know for a fact that a certain local MP's son dealt drugs to middle class casuals and such)

    Seriously though, do some case study on those environments, the people and the problems they face once in that situation. I myself work hard, but know what both sides of the coin are like, and I see first hand the postcode and upbringing snobbery which lead to idiots who breeze through studies paid for by others get into jobs they cannot do, chosen at the interview for being well spoken, or having the right postcode.

    We as a community create these deprived areas, we put barriers up and make all effort to put those in it under a glass ceilling where they cannot rise above and better themselves, then at every opertunity where we create their reactions and frustration, we get the behaviour which leads us to "see I told you, they are ALL like that!"

    I have seen more casual crime, and drug selling and organised crime through the middle and upper classes than in these "slums".

    So yes, louts/criminals/vandals because they have nothng better nor no respect for themselves or from others, and know no better. They don't get social skills or education because those areas "do not" appreciate, or "benefit" from such, therefore those areas get sub standard education, in class rooms where all kids are subject to the lower standards and subjective low classe language and attitudes of those peers from such family backgrounds, who when older have even less to do, and less knowledge about what and why they can do anything, other than copy the big boys and "fit in".

    I am in such a situation right now. My child attends an affluent nursery, but cannot go to the attached primary due to our postcode which is in between a nice and poor area. I know his attitude and mentality and personality will suffer at the "chosen" primary, therefore he is not getting the opertunity I think he will need to do better in life. I would have to move out this 3 bedroom house spend around roughly £350'000 to get a similar size or better in a suiatble area just to meet my catchment requirement for my childs education. Regardless of the school I want him to attend only being 10 minutes away.
    Hell Domino's and Pizza Hut are next door to each other, yet Pizza Hut don't deliver due to "That Area" (again postcode relatated).

    Sorry for the rant, but I myself am not from an affluent background, and know for a fact what happens in the real world, the choices are not there to be made by those in the wrong situation all the time, regardless of education, inteligence or upbringing.

    Many peoples attitude toward these situations is akin to blaming the stone for breaking the window, not the person who threw it.

    Steve
    Last edited by sastusbulbas; 26-04-2008 at 15:34.

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