Dimitri, they may measure well but they don't sound well until they have been heavily modified - new arm or arm re-wire, new feet, offboard PSU, new mats and a fancy MC cart all chosen with the ears.
I believe it is a state of mind and an approach to evaluating hi-fi systems
I associate the term negatively with hi-fi made by Linn or Naim
If you want flat earth only Linn or Naim will do.
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Dimitri, they may measure well but they don't sound well until they have been heavily modified - new arm or arm re-wire, new feet, offboard PSU, new mats and a fancy MC cart all chosen with the ears.
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I'm not so sure...Originally Posted by Steve Toy
I'm even sure they sound perfectly well as they are, with a good MM cartridge.
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Steve,
The SP10 both measures very well & sounds very well, It spent most of its life under a cloud here in the UK thanks to the 'Flat Earth' thought police. Along with lots of other kit now refered to as 'Jap Crap' some of it was very very good indeed but never made it in any numbers to the UK & this damaged the Hi-Fi world alot more than it helped!
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The official line on New Skaro, is that the terms Round or Flat Earth are way to narrow and loaded with historical and cultural audio baggage. Our own view, is that The Parallel/Multiple/Realities/Interlinked Earth is broad enough to encompass all options, views and the complexity in audio.....
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How the heck do you categorise old sods like me?
I was immersed in the Linn/Naim thang since 1976 when I bought my first LP12 from Grahams at trade price, while still using Radford and Quad valve amps with BC1's?????
Today, I accept that Linn and Naim (the former especially) are way beyond where they were thirty years ago and I've gone back to valves and Spendors again, whilst accepting that active 'Briks would still set very high standards if set up right in a room that suits them. I still remember my mate's old "Bolt-up and chipboard active 'Brik system and live Radio 3 could sound outstandingly good until the Ittok came on the scene and ruined the LP12 for a few years......
I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?
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Now, that's an original definition ! I like it !
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How about adopting a term with perhaps less historic 'baggage' and yet still embraces and implies a certain mind-set of openness and improvement, some thing like.......
"...The ART of SOUND.....
.....a NEW AGE of HI-FI...."
...just a thought.
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Good kit can measure well but kit that measures well doesn't necessarily sound good.
Neil, if we go all-embracing we end up losing the identity we had from the beginning and we'll become a platform for people to advocate choosing their hi-fi because it measures well, got a good review in HFN, because the local emporium stocks it or because of marketing slogans like" You're nobody without a ...."
Good Jap-fi didn't see the light of day in UK high end dealerships because the reps from you-know-who bullied dealers into only stocking their gear. There was perhaps even a conspiracy to bury DD turntables because they were more musical all along.
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Ralph, what's new about the notion of choosing kit because it makes listening to music more enjoyable? There is nothing new about that.
We are simply picking up a mantra established by a few years ago and then dropped by another forum when it decided to go all-embracing.
We are not such a broad church.
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Which was the marketing theme favoured by flat earthers!
If you go with flat earth you'll confuse people who don't know what the term means and alienate (a) those who understand it to mean anti-science and (b) those who think it means Linn/Naim-based intolerance. If you need to write screeds to explain what you mean by 'flat earth' that sort of defeats the object. Just use 'subjectivist: if it sounds good, it is good'.
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