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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Jo,



    No we're not. I'm sure that the Sony could be taken further, but that's something I've put on the back burner for now. It sounds ace as it is, and like all successful 'recipes', could easily be ruined by adding the wrong ingredient. As they say, you don't attempt to 'fix' what ain't broken...

    Plus, and let me make this absolutely clear: the Pi/IQ-Audio DAC isn't better all-round than the Sony.

    It it is better in some areas (notably absolute resolution, filigree-detail retrieval/high-frequency extension, rather like the sonic effect one gets with a turntable, when going from using a top-of-the-range moving magnet cartridge, to a high-end moving coil, and how that impacts on musical presentation), and not quite as good in others (notably 'muscularity' of musical delivery, i.e. overall weight and scale, dynamic alacrity, and the sheer balls-out 'size' of the sound, as the Sony portrays music with such huge scale and 'life' [IME, it is unrivalled in that particular area], which the Pi/DAC combo can't quite match - but look at the difference in price!!

    However, I suspect that the addition to the Pi of a top-notch linear PSU will go some way, in that respect, towards levelling the playing field, whilst maintaining the requisite 'SPPV factor'....

    Essentially, in comparison with the Sony's 'take no prisoners', hugely bold and entertaining musical presentation, the Pi/DAC combo does things more subtly, and arguably with greater finesse and refinement.

    What is missing too (and this for me is crucial), is any sense whatsoever that one is listening to a digital source. It has an uncannily 'relaxed' and effortless musical presentation, together with a complete absence of the fatiguing 'glare' that has infected every other digital music source I've heard to date, so in that respect, it's like listening to a top-notch turntable, playing mint condition audiophile pressings of vinyl. The Pi/DAC combo exhibits that glorious, all-absorbing 'analogue tone' and subjective sense of 'correctness'.

    The Sony, as good as it is, still sounds like a CD player (albeit a very good one), simply because *that* is what it is, and so no matter how sonically and musically accomplished, it can never completely shake off the shackles (playback accuracy limitations) imposed by the interface of a laser mechanism reading a disc - and as such it sounds just a tad more contrived and 'false'. That's about the best way I can describe it.

    My DAC is so well built like your sony (except in a high end TEAC stylee). So have you looked in to any mods that would bring the dinosaur back in to the lime lite? Or is it that (late question I know) the Pi is simply a different flavor to the Sony?

    That's it in a nutshell; in the same way as my SPU has a different 'flavour' from that of the Denon DL-S1, or which that has over the 103... You're most certainly playing with 'flavours' here, not any sense of overall sonic superiority.

    I was going to write a thread about my dac... now me thinks it will be put in the bin... (the thread, that is) lol

    Lol... If you really like your DAC, don't rule out the possibility of also using it in conjunction with the Pi. You just need to use the Hi-Fi Berry interface instead. For the money, you could certainly try both (Pi/Hi-Fi Berry+TEAC, vs. Pi/IQ-Audio DAC), and still end up spending less than a good night out in the town with your mates!!

    I'm not really interested in going there (doing the same with the Hi-Fi Berry and my Sony), as I'm happy to have the facility of using a modern bang up-to-date, top-notch (yet cheap as chips) DAC, and its ability to allow me to play hi-res music files, beyond the capability of the Sony.

    As such, I've welcomed the IQ-Audio Pi-DAC+ very warmly into my system as being, in conjunction with the RPi itself, yet another highly capable music source. Choice is good!

    Marco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Sorry, you've lost me....

    I've done precisely what you asked, not the opposite, so chill out!

    Marco.
    ok, then please read this article. I had posted it earlier but it didn't seem to have any effect. It is just one of many articles, written by knowledgeable people describing what Ethernet cables are and will never be even if they cost in excess of 10k$.

    http://arstechnica.com/staff/2015/02...y-makes-sense/

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    Roops, with respect, I'm not really interested in what so-called 'experts' have to say on the subject of ethernet cables. Like I said, once I'm convinced that what I'm hearing is correct (and with regards to their sonic effect in my system, I'm at that stage now), I'll always trust my ears

    Also, do remember that the ones I'm using cost £10, not $10,000, which is simply utter lunacy!!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

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    ok Marco, please let's leave it there then. If it sounds good, it is good ! End of story.

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    Exactly - and that has been, and always will be, my mantra with hi-fi!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Manged to get time to plug the RPi into my main system, I had to over come some network issues, a duff port on my hub and a problem with a USB isolator before I got it up and running. It's currently configured to output via USB into a Breeze Audio CM6631 based SPDIF converter and then into my Bushmaster MKII.

    It sounds surprisingly close to my modded SB MKII, it lacks a little bit of 'sophistication', it's a bit rougher and gritty in the treble plus instrument separation is not quite as good....given the cost it is an excellent result. At some point I'll try it with a battery and see if that improves it.
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    Interesting... Are you using the IQ-Audio Pi-DAC+, Neal? If so, you won't hear its full potential until after 2-3 days of continuous burn-in. I'd wait that time, then reassess

    Also, I suspect that your modded SB MKII uses a linear PSU... If so, consider that one will also improve the Pi, and perhaps in the process remove the slight lack of 'sophistication' you currently perceive.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    No, waiting for them to come back into stock, this is USB to SPDIF to Bushmaster MKII
    Listening in a Foo free Zone...

    Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

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    Ah, that could explain it. Prepare for a shock then when you try the IQ-Audio DAC!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Just one question.

    Would it be possible to use a High Resolution Technologies streamer with this Raspberry Pi 2 instead of the IQ DAC?

    http://www.hirestech.com/product/?pid=128

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