Why do you need a speaker crossover - discuss

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

I don't think Marco was arguing or making an argument.. at least not in the terms that I would call an argument. Just an observation that is out there for others to pick up on too - lots of people love BBC style speakers and even in LOVE with them!

Not a fact that can be ignored really - it all comes down to subjectivism and people simply enjoying what they hear rather than worrying about how they are constructed or their design specs..

Someone who doesn't like the "BBC sound" could say that those that do were deaf or idiots or have been brainwashed.. but that would smack of arrogance or fighting talk and really doesn't go down well at all in an open forum like this!

Better to realise instead that people have differing tastes and accept that calmly.

As someone who doesn't know that much about electronics I have to go on what I hear too and have become (and enjoy being) a box swapper and make my choices via my ears. I did study physics for many years and realise how complex interactions can become from a small number of variables and so, especially when it comes to human reactions to sound and music which we don't fully understand, it's all far too complex to have absolutes.

Even if I did know a lot about it I'd still rely on my ears at the end of the day.

I'm surprised really as I thought Richard was the ultimate advocator of subjectivism - it's all in the ears etc

What the F*** is this again, you don't give up do you. Why are you so focused on me and not my opinions.

[nat8808]

It is possible to design a box that doesn't behave or sound like a box. Material and driver orientation has a lot to do with it.

In a simple way, the B&W Matrix series were the first speakers I'd heard that no longer sounded like a box - to be honest, I didn't realise I was hearing the box until I'd heard them! I'd just sold my house mate my old speakers a day before I played him the 805 Matrix's - he wished I hadn't!

Extensive bracing inside but I'm sure there are much more inovative ways of avoiding the box sound, perhaps one being to use a material that behaves differently. SL700s you can't hear the boxyness either, probably because the bo sound it does no doubt produce is slightly unnatural and so less easy for the ear to pick out.

Probably similar case for acrylic cases - acrylic is crazily expensive Richard, what were you thinking? Was helping someone set up for a small art show and the acrylic shelves were £60 each alone, just straight cuts.

[John]

I hope one day I can listen then

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

I hope one day I can listen then

They are in Epping if you want to make the journey.

[John]

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[nat8808]

What the F*** is this again, you don't give up do you. Why are you so focused on me and not my opinions.

???

I'm not - calm down and please try not to read into things in that way. I never have been focused on you. Surprised, confused and frustrated by some of your reactions perhaps, but certainly not focused on you yourself.

I am surprised that you don't appear to relate to the fact that some people love the BBC 'sound' (if there is an overall sound?). That in itself is only my opinion - my opinion that I'm surprised, surprise of course because I don't know you and gradually picking up on your expressed opinions so as to understand where you're coming from..

Anyway.. Please let's move on!

I was really talking about BBC speakers and how despite the complex crossovers (instinctively I also baulk at the massive amount of metal in there - the Rogers Studio Monitor cross over for the Coles is a tranny bigger than most power transformers!) they do have certain aspects to the sound they produce that I too find appealing.

They don't do everything I'd want so have often moved on, but certainly very enjoyable speakers.

[jostber]

Proclaim Audio has a bit of a different approach to the speaker design and crossover:

http://www.proclaimaudioworks.com/proclaim.htm

This also goes for the Acapella Speakers:

http://www.acapella.de/de/hornlautsprecher/sphaeron.php

Avantgarde:

http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/ho...peaker-en.html

Studio Electric:

http://www.studio-electric.com/loudspekers3.html

SW Speakers:

http://www.swspeakers.com/

[Welder]

You need a crossover to allow individual drivers to work within their optimal frequency range

[nat8808]

Proclaim Audio has a bit of a different approach to the speaker design and crossover:

http://www.proclaimaudioworks.com/proclaim.htm

This also goes for the Acapella Speakers:

http://www.acapella.de/de/hornlautsprecher/sphaeron.php

Avantgarde:

http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/ho...peaker-en.html

Studio Electric:

http://www.studio-electric.com/loudspekers3.html

SW Speakers:

http://www.swspeakers.com/

Has anyone ever taken a bowling ball and hollowed it out?? Next time I see a couple at a car boot, I may pick them up!

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

You need a crossover to allow individual drivers to work within their optimal frequency range

Why?