HS2 watch and weep

[Macca]

I think the train from Stafford to London is about 1hour 15 mins without any stops but these are far and few between.

If HS2 does not stop at Euston and they are planning for it to stop on the outskirts of London at some place nobody has heard of will result in more agro getting another train to actually reach the centre of London. You can't tell me this will all be quicker than what we already have from Birmingham.

Total project seems certainly a waste of money and I can't wait to see the astronomical ticket prices they are bound to ask for the privilege of using it!

think Stafford is on a branch line. The main line train is regular but the only stops are Glasgow, Manchester, Stoke, Milton Keynes and London Euston.

I used to use it quite a lot up to ten years ago, it was a reliable service although if you didn't book in advance (which I never did) it was £70 return even back then.

[Lawrence001]

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[Jimbo]

Latest estimate for a ticket on HS2 from Manchester to London £180-£240. That's if it ever gets to Manchester.

When you reach London you won't be going to Euston but a place called Old Oak Common. Another 15 mins if your lucky. Euston is 2041-2043!!!!

So from Birmingham HS2 will take about 45 mins + another 15mins from Old Oak common. 1 change and all the agro. Estimate price -sorry can't find one as they are too frightened to tell anyone.

There is a train from Stafford to London Euston that currently takes 1 hour 16 mins. Off peak single ticket £39.40.

This is not looking good either for time saving or cost!

[Macca]

I think the idea is to resolve capacity problems, only so many trains you can run on the one track.

[Lawrence001]

I think the idea is to resolve capacity problems, only so many trains you can run on the one track.

That wasn't the original idea but when the costs tripled the cost benefit analysis didn't add up. As politicians and civil servants refuse to ever admit mistakes, they changed the purpose of the project to try and make the sums add up.

[struth]

just to try and make good on tory promises tbh. they know its nonsense but dont have guts to admit it as their right will slaughter them and demand more Boris etc... a prty that is long past their sell by tbh

[Macca]

just to try and make good on tory promises tbh. they know its nonsense but dont have guts to admit it as their right will slaughter them and demand more Boris etc... a prty that is long past their sell by tbh

It was actually proposed in 2003 by the Labour government and the coalition government got it underway.

[struth]

It was actually proposed in 2003 by the Labour government and the coalition government got it underway.

True but it has been a Tory promise for years to extend it no matter the fact it's become a blonde elephant

[Macca]

I can't see it as a vote-winner myself. I've never met anyone who's in the slightest bit keen on it.

I suppose if you live in NW London and go to Birmingham a lot it might be handy but that can't be many people.

Whatever the party in power there's always some crazy expensive public infrastructure project on the go. All that taxpayer money pouring into a big trough.

That's the real reason they're building it. Lots of pals, cronies, donors etc get to wet their beaks.

[struth]

I can't see it as a vote-winner myself. I've never met anyone who's in the slightest bit keen on it.

I suppose if you live in NW London and go to Birmingham a lot it might be handy but that can't be many people.

Whatever the party in power there's always some crazy expensive public infrastructure project on the go. All that taxpayer money pouring into a big trough.

That's the real reason they're building it. Lots of pals, cronies, donors etc get to wet their beaks.

sure they see it as a pro of brexit they are nuts you know and as you say only really interested in big troughs they can dip their hands into... the pandemic was a huge bonus to them.... bassas