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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post
    I have a Micro Benz LP-S and can vouch that it is a super, super cartridge, the difference between a cartridge like this say a £1K Hana, or Phasemation PP-200 or PP-300 is quite a leap (not that any of them are bad cartridges). I have tried the Hana SL and PP-300 at home.

    Another thought you might want to consider a Phasemation PP-500 which at just under £2K is reported as an exceptionally good cartridge, and if anything like the PP-300 will be very good. The owner at "https://ammonite-audio.co.uk/" is a great chap and used to loan some cartridges out, so could be worth giving him a call.

    I also have a Michel Cusis which is actually a Micro Benz Wood S(I believe) in a composite body made for Michel, this is also an excellent cartridge, not quite the same level of detail and refinement as the LP-S, I would say equivalent in SQ to a PP-300.

    Not knowing what you have, another thing to consider is how good your phono stage amp is, if you enter the world of the +£2K cartridge, don't assume your phono stage will be up to the job, it will sound better but you might not get everything the cartridge can extract. I have used 4 phono stages with my LP-S and I was quite surprised at how detail I had been missing when I purchased the current one and also the same with on-board phono stage in my Krell pre-amp.

    I got back into vinyl 8-9 years ago, and started out with a used Pro-Ject Experience II, Ortofon Rondo Blue MC and Camprbridge 540P phono amp from a friend all for £600, this has evolved into the vinyl replay set up that I have today, it cost in the order of £10K, that's Cartridge, Phono-cable, turntable and phono stage, a lot of money really, but you could easily spend 2 or 3 times that and not hear much improvement. I went through 2 other turntables, 2 arms and 4 phono stages. A friend uses an LP-S with SME 20/3, SME V arm, £1K of cable, and a £13.5K phono stage, if brought new about £30K outlay. IMO opinion it may only have very slightly more detail/depth, but it is very subjective. So it can be a slippery and expensive slope but if you get it right for your ears can be very rewarding.

    One another note you mention 'on an item (with a relatively short life)', there is a great deal of pooh written about cartridge and stylus life IMO. I believe Ortofon say that a well cared for stylus that is regularly cleaned before playing records and is used on clean records should last at least 2000 hours or more, several other manufactures say similar. I know of several people who have sent cartridges off for inspection/re-tipping to manufacturers at around 1000 hours and they have just been returned being told that there is nothing wrong with stylus or cartridge. If you consider an LP is generally 40 minutes long then if 2000 hours use is the limit this is the equivalent of playing 3000 albums. So even playing 2 LPs a day, every day of the year it should a cartridge should be good for 4 years, which is not terrible. I suspect most people will struggle to play 500 LPs a year.

    I hope my ramblings help a bit, vinyl replay is not easy to get right, as I found out.
    Some good information there Adrian regarding MC cartridges. I had heard the Phasemation were very good. I heard a Micro Benz Gullwing sometime back and thought it sounded superb. Where does the Benz LP-S sit in their line up?

    Interesting that you mention Ortofon suggesting their cartridges were good for 2000 hours playing very clean vinyl. I can certainly vouch for 1500 hours without noticeable drop off in SQ. I have leant a few out with 1000 hours on them and had no complaints from the chaps who have used them. I will try and push on for 2000 hours and see how they fair.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush2112 View Post
    Hi Adrian, Thanks for the cartridge advice, the Benz is certainly a strong possibility, I see it as competing well above my current Koetsu Rosewood and in the same arena as a Rosewood Signature or above based on reviewer comments. This would be the same story for the Jasmine Audio Dragon from reviewer comments, not sure where the Hana Umami Red then sits which at over £3k would be good to know.

    I have no worries with my phono stage, already using a £2,500 cartridge and the Iota Audio Design Signature Reference is a dual mono fully balanced phono stage more than capable of being in the company of anything from Krell, Audio Research, EAR etc, costing several times more. Turntable is PT Anniversary SE with SME V arm, amplification is Krell KRC3 and FPB200c driving Martin Logan Electromotion X speakers and Sonus Faber Gravis subwoofer.

    Life span of the cartridge is as you say more than most people realise, however, a Urushi at £4,995 would possibly be £1,250 a year, over £100 a month, so anything above £5,000 is, for me, just too much to consider as an acceptable cost for the gain in sound quality. The law of diminishing returns steps in.
    Nice system Mark, I think you told me before you had the PT Anniversary, I very nearly went for one.

    I was also tempted by a one of these about 2 years ago, https://etsurojapan.com/product/bordeaux it had about another 5% on the LP-S, everything sounded more real, if that makes sense, I heard one in a rather good system. I was offered a used one with 100hrs on it for £5K which was a just before they went up in price, I think now about £8.5K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post
    Nice system Mark, I think you told me before you had the PT Anniversary, I very nearly went for one.

    I was also tempted by a one of these about 2 years ago, https://etsurojapan.com/product/bordeaux it had about another 5% on the LP-S, everything sounded more real, if that makes sense, I heard one in a rather good system. I was offered a used one with 100hrs on it for £5K which was a just before they went up in price, I think now about £8.5K.
    Very nice but I agree at that price point it is down to the rest of the system being in the same league too! So not for me unless my lottery numbers come up.

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  5. #35
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    Well the Koetsu is sold and Ortofon have offered €449.75 euros against a Ortofon Cadenza Bronze or higher on thier exchange scheme if I buy a new Ortofon. So the decision is now what do I buy and will the Ortofon sell too?

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