Not so much taking the plunge with a 2M Bronze...

[AJSki2fly]

Thanks, Adrian - very informative.

I'm planning to have some demo time at various specialist outlets later in the year.

Those WBs look a bit special, but even a good boy like me wouldn't merit that asking price.

Hi Phil, the WB Vectors when new would have cost between £8K and £11K (when last sold), they do not come up for sale very often. Whilst quite a lot to buy they are VGVM especially from a SQ point of view in my opinion, my friends used Avalons £19.5K(£38K new) are only slightly more revealing with slightly lower bass capability, in the scale of things not worth worrying about.

Spending several thousands on a pair of speakers is a big step for most, I gradually got to that level after the aforementioned disappointments I mentioned.

My Vectors cost £4.5K, the same as those advertised, 3+ years ago, and I do not regret it in the least. They are not too fussy with placement, best with front face +2' from wall, put them 6' apart or more up to 10', with a slight toe in and sit about 1.2 times the distance they are apart, sit down and listen and you will be amazed. I have mine firing down a 22' by 11' room, and 3.5' out from the wall, I move my listening chair/sofa into he right position for serious listening, the room is awkward to have them elsewhere.

If you are down near East Devon you are welcome to pop in for a listen, just PM me.

[Mikeandvan]

...As being pushed into the pool.

My wonderful other half bought me the 2M Bronze cartridge for Christmas. You could have knocked me down with the proverbial feather. All done with minimal questioning of me and a heap of research online of which I was totally unaware. She's a real one-off.

Installed last weekend...staggering difference 'twixt that and the 2M Blue it replaced. The soundstage has taken on an almost supernatural quality; for instance, the backing vocals on the Japanese pressing of Steely Dan's 'Gaucho' - especially the track "Babylon Sisters" - seem to extend beyond the wall behind the speakers. The three dimensional illusion of the music is just incredible.

The Bronze takes my main passion of liquid drum 'n' bass in its stride, too. Forme's "New Element" is all-enveloping, while Omni Trio's "Twin Town Karaoke (Guardians Of Dalliance Mix)" feels like getting kidnapped by a groove. LTJ Bukem's "Moodswings" is immense - its already heart-stopping bottom end is crafted and sculpted by the Bronze onto yet another level.

If you've ever (as I did for years) ummed and aahed about switching, then I can't recommend it enough. I just can't wait to see how my other half plans to top it for next Christmas (although I did think I should make more cooing noises about Michell turntables...what d'yer reckon?).

Drum & Bass and audiophile carts in the same sentence, what is going on here? I still have a small selection of my old jungle 12"'s left, they rarely get a spin these days though. I used to post on Discogs about 15 years ago, and wind up the Bukem fans, they were foomin'! I liked one Bukem track - his remix of Atlantis, the rest though is mood musak (IMO sir!). Omni trio were better, and the absolute pinnacle of Jungle to me is the Foul play remix of Renegade Snares, that is a fookin' blinder. Incidentally I'm getting rather 'high-end' results with this 200 odd quid AT-540ML. Wouldn't mind trying the Bronze though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbVsorrCEg

[Phil Lawton]

If you are down near East Devon you are welcome to pop in for a listen, just PM me.

I certainly will.

[Phil Lawton]

Drum & Bass and audiophile carts in the same sentence, what is going on here? I still have a small selection of my old jungle 12"'s left, they rarely get a spin these days though. I used to post on Discogs about 15 years ago, and wind up the Bukem fans, they were foomin'! I liked one Bukem track - his remix of Atlantis, the rest though is mood musak (IMO sir!). Omni trio were better, and the absolute pinnacle of Jungle to me is the Foul play remix of Renegade Snares, that is a fookin' blinder. Incidentally I'm getting rather 'high-end' results with this 200 odd quid AT-540ML. Wouldn't mind trying the Bronze though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbVsorrCEg

I've never seen the point of getting upset about someone else's opinions about music and avoid such discussions like the plague - same reason I haven't listened to music radio for well over fourteen years...why sit and listen to someone else's choice of (inevitably unsatisfactory) sounds?

Good example - before I knocked Facebook on the head completely about this time last year, I was witness to a discussion between disgruntled Radio 2 listeners, after the BBC announced that the station wouldn't be playing anything from before 1970. Nonsense like "They're taking away our heritage" (I kid you not) was spouted.

I pointed out that a) music from the 1960s (and as late as 1970) is as irrelevant to the here and now as a 1917 recording of "It's A Long Way To Tipperary" would have been when Radio 1 kicked off in 1967 and b) if these "heritage" recordings from the '60s and '70s were so dear to them, why in all that time had they not bought them, allowing them to be played at any time they liked?

And that's why I avoid the "it's bollocks"/"no, it's not and your mom stinks of kippers" musical discussions. Utterly pointless.

I dread to think what the Discogs forums are like...I only ever use the site for hunting down something I'm after. It's now my main procurement source.

[struth]

Drum & Bass and audiophile carts in the same sentence, what is going on here? I still have a small selection of my old jungle 12"'s left, they rarely get a spin these days though. I used to post on Discogs about 15 years ago, and wind up the Bukem fans, they were foomin'! I liked one Bukem track - his remix of Atlantis, the rest though is mood musak (IMO sir!). Omni trio were better, and the absolute pinnacle of Jungle to me is the Foul play remix of Renegade Snares, that is a fookin' blinder. Incidentally I'm getting rather 'high-end' results with this 200 odd quid AT-540ML. Wouldn't mind trying the Bronze though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbVsorrCEg

must be an age gap as i havent heard of any of em

i am much same with most 80's and 90's stuff tbh... i wasnt really watching or listening in those days, but what i heard n saw i didnt like. so yup its just what a person is brought up with for most part i guess

[Pigmy Pony]

must be an age gap as i havent heard of any of em

i am much same with most 80's and 90's stuff tbh... i wasnt really watching or listening in those days, but what i heard n saw i didnt like. so yup its just what a person is brought up with for most part i guess

Yes I think associated memories play a big part. In the early 80s, when we'd just got our first house, one of my chores was doing the ironing, which I did Sunday teatime while listening to the Top 40 on the stereo. So whenever I hear certain songs by the Thompson Twins, Nik Kershaw, or Queen's Radio Gaga, I remember those ironing days. And the thing with how nostalgia works, these are actually good memories!

And if I hear "Games without Frontiers" by Peter Gabriel, or "Food for Thought" by UB40, I'm taken back to my first Lake District camping weekend on the bikes. Because someone had a radio.

And going back even further, Middle of the Road's "Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum" takes me back to my first holiday in Scotland, 1971.

[struth]

Yes I think associated memories play a big part. In the early 80s, when we'd just got our first house, one of my chores was doing the ironing, which I did Sunday teatime while listening to the Top 40 on the stereo. So whenever I hear certain songs by the Thompson Twins, Nik Kershaw, or Queen's Radio Gaga, I remember those ironing days. And the thing with how nostalgia works, these are actually good memories!

And if I hear "Games without Frontiers" by Peter Gabriel, or "Food for Thought" by UB40, I'm taken back to my first Lake District camping weekend on the bikes. Because someone had a radio.

And going back even further, Middle of the Road's "Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum" takes me back to my first holiday in Scotland, 1971.

i remember chirpy chirpy cheep cheep being no1 in front of i think if memory is right.. brown sugar one of the iconic hits that never made it to no 1

[walpurgis]

i remember chirpy chirpy cheep cheep being no1 in front of i think if memory is right.. brown sugar one of the iconic hits that never made it to no 1

Not thinking of 'Sugar Sugar' by the Archies maybe? That used to be radio DJ fav, it got played to death for years.

[struth]

Not thinking of 'Sugar Sugar' by the Archies maybe? That used to be radio DJ fav, it got played to death for years.

that was a few years earlier..

[AJSki2fly]

Just had a sample listen on Qobuz of Omni Trio - Rogue Satellite album and it is rather good IMO, if you like electronic, which is a mix of ambient and Drum n' Bass on some tracks it will appeal, rather good I think. Also If I Could Fly (LTJ Bukem's Roll It Mix) is pretty good as well.

Also found some LTJ Bukem, "Flip the Narrative" and The James Bond Theme (feat. LTJ Bukem) on David Arnold - "Shaken And Stirred" album, an interesting take on James Bond music with some famous participants.