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    My Marantz CDP has a USB input so I've started putting music downloads on a USB stick. I find it more convenient than logging on to the laptop, and it's resulted in me listening to more digital music as it's so easy to access. I've got mostly Flac files, and some MP3s. The Marantz won't play Flacs, so I've had to convert them to WAVE, which plays well.
    The WAVE files use up more memory, so does this mean better sound quality? They sound more detailed to my ears, but I could be wishing them to sound better! I've also converted the MP3s, and there appears to be an even bigger improvement in sound than that between Flac and WAVE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnNB View Post
    My Marantz CDP has a USB input so I've started putting music downloads on a USB stick. I find it more convenient than logging on to the laptop, and it's resulted in me listening to more digital music as it's so easy to access. I've got mostly Flac files, and some MP3s. The Marantz won't play Flacs, so I've had to convert them to WAVE, which plays well.
    The WAVE files use up more memory, so does this mean better sound quality? They sound more detailed to my ears, but I could be wishing them to sound better! I've also converted the MP3s, and there appears to be an even bigger improvement in sound than that between Flac and WAVE.
    yeah my car wont play flac from usb. i converted to mp3 and in car you cant really tell imo. better compatability with metadata too
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    This is handy as a quick overview...

    http://www.whathifi.com/amp/advice/m...mats-explained

    I choose .aiff for that sort of thing, but .wav will do you the best as it's relatively widely used. Always go lossless when possible.

    .mp3 is a terrible lossy codec, whereby data that the conversion process 'thinks' carries no information, is removed.

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    If you have the space, go with WAV. Completely uncompressed and no loss of information. I know there's far more detailed explanations out there but to be honest, I think it's fairly safe to stand by the rule of 'more information = better sound quality'.

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    FLAC has the exact same info though. Both formats are lossless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    FLAC has the exact same info though. Both formats are lossless.
    Completely agree but with hard drives being so cheap and black Friday deals on 4 & 8TB drives making them highly affordable, I just personally feel a certain piece of mind knowing the file is free of any compression, even lossless. OP's hardware can't read FLAC in this case so WAV it is but I see no reason in general not to use WAV unless you're trying to conserve space.

    But ultimately I have no proof that WAV and FLAC of the same rip are any different in any way other than size...I can't even tell you they sound different (and that's the whole point is it not?) lol...

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    wav used to have issues with metadata, and was one of reasons i avoided it(apart from extra space) I do all mine in flac now, after trying a few it seemed the best overall and most used(outwith apple)
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    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    24 Bit Flac is the gold standard for me,

    Bitrate's good 44K and above.
    Neglagable differences above 44K but they are there...but 24bit vs 16bit makes a discernible difference imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    24 Bit Flac is the gold standard for me,

    Bitrate's good 44K and above.
    Neglagable differences above 44K but they are there...but 24bit vs 16bit makes a discernible difference imo.
    when i digitised my vinyl i used 24 bit. it sounded better
    Regards,
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply-doesn't-work
    .... ..... ...... ...... ................... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    when i digitised my vinyl i used 24 bit. it sounded better
    How did you digitise your vinyl? Is it all in the player? Because I used to have a cheapy record player that advertised that but all it inevitably did was record the vinyl as it was playing and saved it to an MP3, no software I experimented with gave me the option for a higher resolution file type or higher bit rate...

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