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  1. #11
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    I'm assuming RP10?

    Here are some words from the man himself

    "How do you set up anti-skate?

    (Laughs) It's not critical and varies with the depth of the groove. In almost all circumstances it's not important but if you get mistracking on the right channel you need a bit more bias. Our arms have magnetic anti-skate and we provide markings on the bias adjuster to match the downforce of the cartridge."
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  2. #12
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    Its the newer P10 Malcolm, RB3000 arm.

    Like me not reading the manual,
    I've got Rega's book "A Vibration measuring machine", and still not even read THAT!

    Sure there's good info in there, about time I dug it out and had a look.
    Mr Gandy likes to do things differently (i.e. no VTA adjust) so all things Anti-Skate "The Rega way" is worth a browse.

    From memory when fitting my last arm to my older deck, the advice of Jonny (Audio Origami) was "Set it at 1.75 and forget it".
    Think I'll do that and just enjoy the records.
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    Yeah sounds like good advice mate.
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    Anti skate is not a life and death thing, so don't lose any sleep.

    The Rega bias adjuster is always a little too much but will do no harm. Just set it a little lower than your tracking weight. If you are tracking at 2g, set it at 1.5g and relax.

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    Done.
    Sounds better than it did with no AS set to 1.5.
    happy with that, thanks Dave.

    And thanks all.
    Time to kick back with some LPs..



    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    Anti skate is not a life and death thing, so don't lose any sleep.

    The Rega bias adjuster is always a little too much but will do no harm. Just set it a little lower than your tracking weight. If you are tracking at 2g, set it at 1.5g and relax.
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    ^^ What he said

    The manual for the RP8 is slightly confusing too but using the HIFI news test record and my ears I’ve come to the same conclusion as Dave has stated above.

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    For years, I set anti-skating for minimum distortion in each channel using a test LP and oscilloscope.

    Then I noticed that, about 90% of the time, the value that achieved this was just over half the tracking weight so, since then, that’s what I dial up.

    Occasionally I do double check it and it’s rarely very far out.
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    Cheers Adam,
    works for you...works for me.

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beobloke View Post
    For years, I set anti-skating for minimum distortion in each channel using a test LP and oscilloscope.

    Then I noticed that, about 90% of the time, the value that achieved this was just over half the tracking weight so, since then, that’s what I dial up.

    Occasionally I do double check it and it’s rarely very far out.
    Your experience tallies with mine - for the great majority of cartridges the anti-skating is 50 -75% of the VTA. Obviously it depends to some extent on the stylus profile, but I find that with nearly all of the tonearms I have used, the arm manufacturer's advice leads to too much bias.
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Your experience tallies with mine - for the great majority of cartridges the anti-skating is 50 -75% of the VTA. Obviously it depends to some extent on the stylus profile, but I find that with nearly all of the tonearms I have used, the arm manufacturer's advice leads to too much bias.
    That is also what I've found, I'm not too fussy about it though. The only cartridges that I found particularly demanding were Decca Blues and each one wanted a different setting.
    It is impossible for anything digital to sound analogue, because it isn't analogue!

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