I'll be detailing everything on this thread and over on my facebook page. I'll be posting some pics in the next few days.
Yep, both of those work really well. I've used them both and I would say that you just have to try what works best for you.
I'll be detailing everything on this thread and over on my facebook page. I'll be posting some pics in the next few days.
Yep, both of those work really well. I've used them both and I would say that you just have to try what works best for you.
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CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10
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PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
Pt 2 - No progress tonight.
I've taken loads of pix but I'm out of time to post anything tonight (and too knackered)! I've been concentrating on the suspension. I've cured some motor knock, and ordered a new set of springs form the USA. I see lots of dodgy old spring sets on eBay and others use Linn springs as replacements. Both not good. My replacements are new, re-engineered replacements which come with new gromets. I will not be replacing the sponge in the springs. I don't really think it does much. More later in the week.
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CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10
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PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
Pt 3 - Yep! 2 updates in a night.
Plinth measurements done and new Thorens TD160 belt ordered (yep it'S proper THORENS)!!
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PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
Pt 4 - Some pictures, at last.
Sorry guys, I've been a bit slack, but I have been working hard. Here are a few pictures of the latest restoration project.
My favourite part, the tear down. I've done quite a few 150's and 160's now and I never tire of just how great this design is.
This unit whilst in good cosmetic condition was quite grotty on the underside. TD160's have sprung suspension, not my favourite but still something which is fun. I have taken utmost care with the suspension on this unit. Everything has been cleaned and ultrasonically prepared. So to start with the top plate got some love and attention. Nearly 50 years of filth accumulated around the suspension pillars. Check out the crud!
And now cleaned up.
Motor pulley got a complete clean with isopropyl alcohol, now nice and clean.
Turntable earthing. This was pretty clean but it got another dose of isopropyl alcohol and the screw was firmly tightened to ensure good earthing.
Suspension chassis removed and cleaned. Note the extra clean areas (the three large circles) where the suspension grommets live. This was filthy and not that great if your concentrating on the suspension. EVERYTHING needs to be just so. Once I was happy I reinstalled the three main suspension grommets. The grommets were filthy but in excellent condition so these received a clean with warm soapy water which produced an excellent result.
And with the grommets installed.
Suspension pillars FILTHY, YUK
Then cleaned.
And then installed....
So there we have it. Lots of progress made, quite quickly. More next time around...
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PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
Excellent work Andrew. The recipient of this fully restored turntable can be sure it will be in ' as new ' condition when they get it back.
Great pictures BTW
Regards
Brian
Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment . (Rumi )
Korus Computer Audio music server
JustBoom DAC . HRT Musicstreamer 2
Amplifier : Sony TA FB740R
Speakers : Tannoy 637
Interconnects : MS Audio / Klotz MC5000 .
Speaker cables : Western Electric 16AG
Thanks Brian, there is still a long way to go.
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CD Teac VRDS25X(Audiotuned) DECK 1210 Mat Crystal Audio Mods MN Base/Bearing/Platter+Ebony armboard Feet Isonoe PSU Paul Hynes SR7EHD-27XL/DCSXL Ag DC lead/3 Stage Regs/Recap PCB+No Pitch/Strobe/Light ARM SME V(Kondo Ag Rewire&Tags) MC Cadenza Black FGS CABLES Arm Yannis SPD-4 IC Yannis 222 Litz+Ag bullets Power WAR PRE ATC SCA2 SPEAKERS ATC 50ASL STANDS Atacama PHONO Sugden Masterclass PA4 SUT Ortofon ST80SE POWER PSAudio P10
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PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
Pt 5 - Boredom update!
I always hate this part of a rebuild/restoration and that's when I have to wait for new parts to arrive, usually from far flung parts of the globe. New springs and grommets are coming from the US of A, and a new Thorens belt is coming from Germany. Fortunately I can order wood from the UK and I have found a place that is supplies some weird and wonderful varieties which should make for cool looking plinths. I've also started ordering parts and materials for the decks baseboard. Nothing too radical here very thick heavy birch ply with additional damping. I've made some new prototype feet which I'm assessing which will hopefully help with damping. I'm in the process of just getting parts together and then I'll start to looking into tweaks. Stay tuned because I have a few things planned which should hopefully lift the performance of these humble decks.
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PRE Croft Epoch(Modded) AMP Sondex S100 (Modded) SPEAKERS Tannoy 15"MG+RFC Warwick cabs+ Ref XO + Batpure supertweeters DECK Garrard 301 Mat Teunto Bearings 401(Bastin) Plinth Bamboo Arms 3009/3012 PSU Eagle+Tachometer MC Ag Meister II/FGS + Ortofon SPU MONO CABLES Arm Yannis 420.5 Litz+ SpeakerPC Tripple C+WBT-0681 Ag IC Oyaide FTVS-510 AgWBT 0110Ag Phonostages Paradise(4 Box Mega-Modded) / Croft Musicmaker
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I'm Charlie.
Once up and running it will be worth listening without a baseboard fitted ( if being used in a safe environment). I ran my 11X and Sondek without and preferred it. The Thorens might not respond in the same way but being another suspended design it's worth a try. Best of all it's a tweak that costs nothing.
It looks like we have hit the same mail impasse, my deck is stripped, cleaned and ready for the new parts, like you i've opted for new springs and once completed i'll do a side by side test with my other TD160 which has original springs. instead of like for like spring replacements i've gone for the Griffon https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THORENS-G...gAAOSwVJJfBss8 springs which have been recommended to me not only to replace tired springs but also improve on new like for like equivalents
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