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    Better cables bring out the best in your kit but I dont really get how they can improve the soundstage as this (I think) is dictated by your equipment and room interaction. Do you agree?
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    Vehemently not agree.
    Although you have got ultimate constraints of the equipment performance and the limits imposed by the room, with a suitably transparent system it can be very surprising just what improvements to image width/depth and ultimate clarity can be achieved with speaker cables particularly.

    Unfortunately using better cables usually involves more expense, but IMO is worth it.
    I recommend PCOCC based cables.

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    ive heard improved soundstage with different cables, but it may be an interaction between cable and equipment causing it, and may well not happen with cable and other gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    ive heard improved soundstage with different cables, but it may be an interaction between cable and equipment causing it, and may well not happen with cable and other gear.
    Dead right, audible cable effects are system dependant.
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    Yes they can do!

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    Given that low frequency sound is hard for the brain to locate, would you say that a speaker cable that is good at HF will be better in improving your soundstage perception?
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    Soundstage isn't just about positioning, depth of image and ambience or sense of acoustic are needed too. It's a tricky question to answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    ive heard improved soundstage with different cables, but it may be an interaction between cable and equipment causing it, and may well not happen with cable and other gear.
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    Perfect answer...

    Quote Originally Posted by Firebottle View Post
    Vehemently not agree.
    Although you have got ultimate constraints of the equipment performance and the limits imposed by the room, with a suitably transparent system it can be very surprising just what improvements to image width/depth and ultimate clarity can be achieved with speaker cables particularly.

    Unfortunately using better cables usually involves more expense, but IMO is worth it.
    I recommend PCOCC based cables.

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    Is there a hierarchy of factors that affect soundstage and imaging?

    I would say so.

    The amount of soundstage and imaging encoded on the recording itself
    The position of the loudspeakers in the room and relative to the listening position
    Room effects (reflection, absorption, diffraction)
    The design of the loudspeakers


    if all those are optimised then I could accept that the cables might then play some part. But otherwise I'd suggest that any cable effect would be swamped by the above considerations.

    The best system I have ever heard for soundstage and imaging - by a country mile - was Gordon's (Halfway Tree) system using Linkwitz LX521 speakers. IIRC it did not use any 'fancy' cables. Even then the imaging effect varied from recording to recording.
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