High end / Cutting edge , Opinions please

[AJSki2fly]

I think the use of computer evolution as a parallel is probably not quite appropriate because I regard PCs as on the whole cheapish junk.

I agree that in general high end stuff is better built with better components, and often under run, ie. capable of a greater demand than is being placed on them.

Sorry but the evolution of mobile phones, and chip technology used in the computer industry and other related technologies, is primarily what has enabled and driven other market areas such as the hifi digital arena and modern sound systems, and virtually anything else technically driven you can think of. Computers and PC may appear to be cheapish/junk externally but the internal processors and chips(storage) in them is very sophisticated, it is only cheap due to very high volumes of production.

[topoxforddoc]

Allen,
The key issue about the Burmester, which you have been eyeing is not the SQ. A high end CD player from that era will sound great, as that era spawned some of the great CD players. But I would be worried about spares and serviceability. It may be that Burmester have put aside plenty of spares, like Studer and Telefunken did for their R2R studio machines. But if there are no spares, this could potentially be a very expensive door stop.
Charlie

[Mikeandvan]

Does it really matter? Just pretend its 2003 and you got the best money can buy.

[Macca]

Does it really matter? Just pretend its 2003 and you got the best money can buy.

No, I'm going to pretend that it's 1979. that was a much better year.

[Mikeandvan]

No, I'm going to pretend that it's 1979. that was a much better year.

For music? One of the best.

[Pharos]

Sorry but the evolution of mobile phones, and chip technology used in the computer industry and other related technologies, is primarily what has enabled and driven other market areas such as the hifi digital arena and modern sound systems, and virtually anything else technically driven you can think of. Computers and PC may appear to be cheapish/junk externally but the internal processors and chips(storage) in them is very sophisticated, it is only cheap due to very high volumes of production.

I agree that the evolution involving high sales rates in things has increased massively investment, and resultantly in design improvement, notably in mobile phones. The best part of the PCs IMO are probably the chips, which may well be used in many other devices.

However, someone said earlier that CD quality was so good distortion and noise wise, that little improvement was possible, and I don't think that much progress has been made in CD players, especially now that they have lost their primacy as a source.

[Ali Tait]

Allen,
The key issue about the Burmester, which you have been eyeing is not the SQ. A high end CD player from that era will sound great, as that era spawned some of the great CD players. But I would be worried about spares and serviceability. It may be that Burmester have put aside plenty of spares, like Studer and Telefunken did for their R2R studio machines. But if there are no spares, this could potentially be a very expensive door stop.
Charlie

Agree with this. I’d also point out that whilst components used may be of high quality, caps are caps and resistors are resistors and as such are prone to failure after a period of time. Film caps should be fine, ‘lytics can be another matter.

Nowt that can’t be fixed though, unless as Charlie says, the likes of the laser are unobtanium.

[Audio Al]

Agree with this. I’d also point out that whilst components used may be of high quality, caps are caps and resistors are resistors and as such are prone to failure after a period of time. Film caps should be fine, ‘lytics can be another matter.

Nowt that can’t be fixed though, unless as Charlie says, the likes of the laser are unobtanium.

A seller has these for sale
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Burmester...IAAOSw0Ppen0SC

I think I am out as my feeling are the same as most on here , I did make a offer of what I was prepaired to pay . the offer was declined ,

Thanks for your opinions folks

Allen

[Mr. C]

Burmester a love / hate relationship had quite a few of these over the years the 001 being the most engaging although it does look like it belongs in a drug dealer boudoir

[Beobloke]

Opinions please re this

If a hifi ( CD ) player was made and first sold from 2003 and at the time was High end / cutting edge , Would that component still be HE / CE ?

Still High End? Yes
Still Cutting Edge? Given the technology in it is approaching 20 years old, I'd say No.

As an aside, the whole concept of "It was good in its day but isn't any more" irritates the hell out of me. If that were the case for any piece of equipment, I'd love to know the precise date and time when it became no good any more!

As far as I'm concerned, if something was good when new, then it still is now. Yes, it may be old-fashioned/superseded/oversized/ugly/largely worthless in monetary terms, but there's nothing to stop it still being worthy if it works properly.