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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post
    I think it is worthwhile to not forget that Mike has reported the same issue with his Charios. It is unlikely he has picked two speakers that are top endy, although I have not checked.

    As I have said before and you are highlighting Marco the Snell Js were quite critical for room placement and listening position, one reason I moved to the KEFs when we moved to a larger house with a more open plan lounge.

    I would also not loose sight over the fact that the room is not far of being square, even though it does have a kitchen area off of it. Nearly square rooms, especially with lots of flat hard surfaces will accentuate mid-high end frequencies.

    So a combo of bad speaker placement and the above could be and is likely to be the cause IMHO.
    Yes, that's also my view of the matter, plus also of course like Macca says the possibility that the speakers themselves are just wrong for the room - but before that conclusion is reached every avenue should be explored in terms of optimising the positioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The bass aspect might be irrelevant, the toeing in of the speakers isn't. And jamming them into the corners as recommended will just create some bass problems to go along with the stridency problem.

    What's needed in that space is a small, high quality three way that doesn't attempt deep bass. JBL would work, or Tannoy dual concentric. Possibly Yamaha NS1000M (or variation thereof). partnered with a clean sounding, low distortion amplifier, something from NAD or Rotel would probably do, at least for starters. A 3020 would do fine and cost next to nothing.

    Then swap the CD player for something really smooth - Any Sony SACD player from the early 2000s will work well. I'd bet proper money that set up would solve all Mike's issues.
    Aah, I'd love the Ns1000s if they worked! Doesn't Jamie (Karma67) use them with a John Wood valve amp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourney View Post
    Those Js are not top endy
    Thanks Steve, good to have your opinion, as you've owned most of my hifi! I guess then issue is either my room, or how I hear sound, I am quite sensitive to discordant sound, whether its jazz trumpet or screechy guitar, but that is amongst my favourite music. My cd player is well old, could do with a once over, its got a high quality chip and mechanism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Then be very selective, should you want some. They don't all get it right, in fact most don't.
    Hi Geoff, just curious what you meant by that comment? Are you saying there is an issue with quality control on the legacy models as I am contemplating buying a pair of Legacy Eatons, reduced to £3k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    Aah, I'd love the Ns1000s if they worked! Doesn't Jamie (Karma67) use them with a John Wood valve amp?
    I think he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post
    Quite right Marco.

    I think it is worthwhile to not forget that Mike has reported the same issue with his Charios. It is unlikely he has picked two speakers that are top endy, although I have not checked.

    As I have said before and you are highlighting Marco the Snell Js were quite critical for room placement and listening position, one reason I moved to the KEFs when we moved to a larger house with a more open plan lounge.

    I would also not loose sight over the fact that the room is not far of being square, even though it does have a kitchen area off of it. Nearly square rooms, especially with lots of flat hard surfaces will accentuate mid-high end frequencies.

    So a combo of bad speaker placement and the above could be and is likely to be the cause IMHO.
    Hi Adrian, yes I had the Charios in yesterday, and they weren't that different from the Js in terms of the top end, not as much detail over all, the Js do excel at that I think, Dusty's voice on In Memphis was quite extraordinary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    Hi Geoff, just curious what you meant by that comment? Are you saying there is an issue with quality control on the legacy models as I am contemplating buying a pair of Legacy Eatons, reduced to £3k.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Legacy quality control IMO, have owned a pair of Legacy Arden's. There are lots of views and arguments about vintage versus new Tannoy's, you can go down the proverbial rabbit hole if you get involved in that. My Arden's were superb and from what others have told me the rest of the range a pretty special including the Eaton's. If Sue would let me I would go back to a pair tomorrow but that is not going to happen in a hurry and thankfully my WB Vectors do 98% of what the Tannoys do.

    It is a good thing to remember that manufacturers are aiming to improve products, Tannoy when re-introducing their Legacy range they would have done just that, they also now have the benefit of modern technology to use to improve designs and manufacturing.

    This review is from Paul Rigby is probably as close to the truth you will get about them. https://theaudiophileman.com/eaton/
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    System sounding a bit better now overall, getting rid of that large chest of drawers definitely a good idea, allows more room for speaker positioning, speakers are away from both walls, not as Audio note recommend, but they sound better that way to me. Bit more content with sound, though sharpness in high notes persists. Some nice wow moments, with imaging etc, still not tried with rock though, as need to set up TT shelf on wall, and only have jazz on cd. This is with the S500, after I replaced all the valves with Gold lions, might try changing the valves in the Soro too, or I may not, really doesn't seem to be much difference in quality between the two amps, the S500 was modified by AD audio so is far from standard.
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