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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    LOL, I'm only to listening to more Jazz music now that I'm getting on a bit.
    LOL, understand Mike. At least you haven't 'turned' classical

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    Don't get me wrong though, I do love modern jazz and the system I outlined had the most incredible 'air' and 'space'. My problem was that, as with recently, it had no excess power and grunt. I think I need to learn now that I just don't suit valves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    Hilarious
    I dunno what sort of Jazz you listen to but it sounds Bloody horrid to Me!
    Lots of generalisations in this thread, very amusing.

    If a speaker and amp combo only does 1 type of music well then something is very wrong.
    Imho Dump the system and buy something thatís going to give you satisfaction across many musical styles (even the horror show of plinky plonk described!)

    The title of the thread is surely not even To be taken seriously?
    Mike, Get out and listen to some proper matched systems with valve amps, when you hear
    Whatís possible then ask the question (Thread title) again..
    What in particular do you find hilarious Adam?

    I think that in general jazz players do it for each other, and they compete, more than to communicate with an audience.

    There are exceptions.

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    I dont think Adam was refering to Jazz itself!
    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos View Post
    What in particular do you find hilarious Adam?

    I think that in general jazz players do it for each other, and they compete, more than to communicate with an audience.

    There are exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos View Post
    I think that in general jazz players do it for each other, and they compete, more than to communicate with an audience.
    I have certainly found this to be true when they play live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos
    I think that in general jazz players do it for each other, and they compete, more than to communicate with an audience.

    I have certainly found this to be true when they play live.
    Personally having played in a few minor amateur jazz bands and seen a few live, amateur and famous, I think either statement is far from the truth. In my experience playing in a jazz group requires a clear understanding of what each other is doing and complimenting each other to get a successful presentation of what they are performing and trying to achieve. If one member tries to out do another or goes of on a completely random tack it will result in a breakdown in the musical form and any fluidity, unless that is actually what the group of players want to achieve.
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    I do not see the two as mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post



    This sounds good and 'hi-fi' through my laptop speakers, which are toppy and have absolutely no bass. It's no test of anything. You'd have to try to put a system together that made a mess of it.

    I understand what you are saying about the big JVC sounding 'sterile' but the job of the amp is to amplify, not change the sound. The room and the loudspeakers will do enough of that already.

    I don't know the JVC, never had one, never heard one, so no point in me getting into specifics on that particular amp. But you don't need valves to get good results from all types if music, likewise you don't need solid state to do that either, There are just good and bad amplifiers, the amplifying device doesn't matter, unless for some reason (very big room, very insensitive speakers) you need hundreds of watts.

    No-one wants 'sterile' but the idea that valves are some sort of universal solution to that is just wrong. No-one makes music to sound sterile, no-one listens to their newly finished album album in the studio and says 'This sounds sterile but fuck it, let's put it out anyway.' But studios use very good speakers for making that assessment.

    If I were you I'd go back to square one, start with the speakers as- assuming a digital source - the speakers far and away have the most influence on the sound quality. Don't piss about in the shallow end, get absolutely the best speakers (and yes, I'm talking measurements here since they do matter a lot as this thread demonstrates) you can afford, then sort out the amplifier.
    I had some serious hifi speakers once, Kef reference 2 I think, they sounded lifeless, may'be I'm just a lofi sorta guy. It sounds shit but it measures good is not my way of choosing hifi btw, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyTD View Post
    Just listening to this in my workshop, on a pair of full range Jordan drivers, in sealed boxes, [around 85db] driven by a Mullard 3 watt per channel single ended valve amp, sounds great!
    I'm sure it is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    LOL, understand Mike. At least you haven't 'turned' classical
    Classical is only the start, Classic Fm follows 24/7, you can't face anything more challenging, next step care home then the grave.
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