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    The DAC will overload the QUAD 33 pre-amp. The 33 pre-amp is not very good in any case, the pre-amp section of the NAD is a better bet.

    Passive pre-amps can be bought very cheaply, get one and do the comparison of NAD to 303, passive-pre to 303 and NAD on its own. Settle with the combo you prefer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macca View Post
    the dac will overload the quad 33 pre-amp. The 33 pre-amp is not very good in any case, the pre-amp section of the nad is a better bet.

    Passive pre-amps can be bought very cheaply, get one and do the comparison of nad to 303, passive-pre to 303 and nad on its own. Settle with the combo you prefer.
    yeah i felt that may be case but felt it worth a try. No the 33 isnt great in its original form although for a tv system it may surprise. My mate uses one and it sounds very nice.
    he has the input altered for cd etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    yeah i felt that may be case but felt it worth a try. No the 33 isnt great in its original form although for a tv system it may surprise. My mate uses one and it sounds very nice.
    he has the input altered for cd etc
    They look good but imo they are worse than the 34 and the 34 is not that much cop either. Maybe I've only heard bad ones. But in any case the input won't accept 2V without mods and I don't think it's worth the trouble, unless you have a real thing for the styling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The DAC will overload the QUAD 33 pre-amp. The 33 pre-amp is not very good in any case, the pre-amp section of the NAD is a better bet.

    Passive pre-amps can be bought very cheaply, get one and do the comparison of NAD to 303, passive-pre to 303 and NAD on its own. Settle with the combo you prefer.

    So if I'm understanding correctly I can't connect my DAC directly into the Quad 33 pre-amp without causing potential problems but if I get a passive pre-amp installed between the DAC & 303 it would work ok?
    I assume if I do the above I would then need to also connect the Turntable/Tuner/Tape to the new passive amp to get everything up and running and the 33 would be out of the pipeline but could still sit there just not doing anything?
    At present the power feeds from the Quad 33 into the 303 via a sort of round 4(?) pin plug. Would it be easy to get a new power supply to the 303?
    Is it easy enough to connect a "new" passive pre-amp to the 303?
    At some point I will add a cd/blue ray player which I guess would also need to connect to the passive?
    I suppose the next question would be is there a passive amp that would cater for all the above connections that anyone could recommend that's not going to drain the bank balance too much?

    Alternatively I could leave the components in the commode (Turntable/Amps/Tape) unused for now but sitting where I want it in the front room and stick to using the TV/DAC/NAD 320e/Tannoys as I tried temporarily earlier until I decide on the best course of action?

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    http://www.richardbrice.net/quad33&303.htm

    a good ee could fix it up for you..
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    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveL View Post
    So if I'm understanding correctly I can't connect my DAC directly into the Quad 33 pre-amp without causing potential problems but if I get a passive pre-amp installed between the DAC & 303 it would work ok?
    I assume if I do the above I would then need to also connect the Turntable/Tuner/Tape to the new passive amp to get everything up and running and the 33 would be out of the pipeline but could still
    yes it would all work with a passive except the turntable, you would need a phono stage for that. Also one issue with passive pre-amps can be the number of inputs. BTE:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bte-desig...wAAOSw1i5bsgIG

    will do you one with as many inputs as you need, you have to get a quote from him but prices are reasonable. Depends on how much you want to experiment. For no hassle solution just use the NAD as a pre-amp as then you don't have to get a separate phono stage and you already have it so the cost is nothing. A cable to connect the NAD to the 303 won't be more than a tenner.

    Depending on the age of the 303 you might need a specific cable if it does not have RCA inputs but they should be available somewhere on line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    http://www.richardbrice.net/quad33&303.htm

    a good ee could fix it up for you..
    If push comes to shove it might be end up being an option!

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    If you just want a cheap way to hear what a passive pre-amp sounds like, try one of these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal...53.m1438.l2649

    It's only a pot in a box with in/out leads, but works just fine and sounds vastly better than you'd expect.

    I have one in my collection. It took just under three weeks to arrive from China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    yes it would all work with a passive except the turntable, you would need a phono stage for that. Also one issue with passive pre-amps can be the number of inputs. BTE:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bte-desig...wAAOSw1i5bsgIG

    will do you one with as many inputs as you need, you have to get a quote from him but prices are reasonable. Depends on how much you want to experiment. For no hassle solution just use the NAD as a pre-amp as then you don't have to get a separate phono stage and you already have it so the cost is nothing. A cable to connect the NAD to the 303 won't be more than a tenner.

    Depending on the age of the 303 you might need a specific cable if it does not have RCA inputs but they should be available somewhere on line.
    So if I'm following correctly >
    DAC to NAD to the 303 via new cable
    Turntable/Tuner/Tape into the NAD
    303 out to Tannoys
    33 is then bypassed & voila .....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveL View Post
    So if I'm following correctly >
    DAC to NAD to the 303 via new cable
    Turntable/Tuner/Tape into the NAD
    303 out to Tannoys
    33 is then bypassed & voila .....?
    That's it.
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