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Thread: Never ending Hi Fi Pain - VTA adjust on Technics EP-250

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    Join Date: Apr 2011

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    I'm Robert.

    Default Never ending Hi Fi Pain - VTA adjust on Technics EP-250

    No secret that I'm a big advocate of the Technics tonearm, on the fly vta system.

    I find it superb when dialing in the cart sweet-spot during tonearm/cart set up.

    It's the reason why I went with the Technics EPA-250 tonearm over other very good options, for my SP10 tt, as the carts I use tend to be very vta adjust sensitive in terms of set up and nailing their narrow sweet-spot window. Once in through, in my experience, the system audio replay is fantastic.

    However, for the second time I've had to revisit set / redial in the sweet-spot via vta.

    At first I didn't immediately realise that the vta adjustment had actually moved and put the loss of focus, splashiness, mid upper frequency lift, ear fatigue down to my speakers and/or maybe my new acquired tonearm cable, changing and bedding in.

    Then one day I looked at the vta marker and noticed the red line marker was not where I remember it being when I'd set the vta, so I got to trying to dial it in again, something i hate doing and find takes a long time to get right.

    Eventually as always I got there.

    The music/sound over the past week or two has been again superb, even up to last night - excellent.

    Today though, sound not right. I've looked at the red marker and the vta has definitely moved. I took a pic last time for reference, which also confirms.

    After the first time, I happened to come across this https://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.h...cs%2Bepa%2B100

    This had crossed my mind before, as I didn't realise that whilst i was getting the Technics on the fly system, my EPA-250 and the expensive EPA-100 does not have the vta lock, which they added later to the tonearms on the 1200/1210's.

    So bottom line is, the same ole, one step forward, two backwards, as always seems to be the case i'm finding in this game. I'm pi&&ed to say the least. obviously I cant/wont/dont play my system until I've mailed set up and it is sounding right, also, I really really cant be asked with trying to re-dial in, every few weeks or so, it is too time consuming and fatiguing.

    I really didn't realise that the EPA-250 vta adjust doesn't lock, causing the arm pillar to sink, little by little with use. It's a lovely, quality arm but like so much in relation to vinyl / hifi, is flawed !

    Not sure what I'm going to do, going forward, but fed up with it to be honest
    My System:
    Amplification - Sansui AU-alpha 707 DR
    Turntable - Technics SP10 MK2-Technics EPA-250 Tonearm-Yannis Tome 423.5Plus tonearm cable-Eichmann KLEI Absolute Harmony plugs.
    Ortofon Cadenza Black moving coil cartridge-Fritz Gyger S re-tip. Panzerholz plinth.

    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable-airloc banana plugs
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket-Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs-Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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    Join Date: Oct 2014

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    Hi Robbie, sorry to hear it. Must be a pain after the micro seiki which did have a lock. I don't know anything about the EPA 250 but it might be worthwhile having a chat to Steve at Magna. Could some sort of grub screw be fitted or some other modification be made to increase the friction ? If anyone could come up with something clever it would be steve.

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    Steve was the first that came to my mind as well. Be surprised if he can't come up with a fix.

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    Simple fix is putting it back on the same spot if it moves?

    Tiny line up mark would do.

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    Should have got a 1010
    My System
    John Wood KT88 Amp.
    Paradise Phono Stage
    Sony TTS-8000 Turntable.
    PMAT-1010 MK6 Tonearm.
    Ortofon Cadenza Bronze
    Sony X555ES Cd Player
    Yamaha NS1000m Speakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by karma67 View Post
    Should have got a 1010
    Er nah! Great arm I don't doubt but as you know I love the super smooth usability of the Technics on the fly system.

    The best for dialling in the vta/sweetspot in my experience and makes life a lot easier with the 'fussier' stylus profile I use. BUT, sadly for me this one doesnt have the vta lock which they added later to the system otherwise, would be perfecto !

    Also, It's nice we dont all have to go for the same tonearm option.....
    My System:
    Amplification - Sansui AU-alpha 707 DR
    Turntable - Technics SP10 MK2-Technics EPA-250 Tonearm-Yannis Tome 423.5Plus tonearm cable-Eichmann KLEI Absolute Harmony plugs.
    Ortofon Cadenza Black moving coil cartridge-Fritz Gyger S re-tip. Panzerholz plinth.

    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable-airloc banana plugs
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket-Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs-Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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    Join Date: Sep 2014

    Location: brighton uk.

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    Yeah good on you for being different, every cu*** got a 1010
    My System
    John Wood KT88 Amp.
    Paradise Phono Stage
    Sony TTS-8000 Turntable.
    PMAT-1010 MK6 Tonearm.
    Ortofon Cadenza Bronze
    Sony X555ES Cd Player
    Yamaha NS1000m Speakers

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    Join Date: Apr 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by karma67 View Post
    Yeah good on you for being different, every cu*** got a 1010
    Damn excellent tonearm from all I've heard. I'd have one myself if it had on the fly like the Techie (with a lock as well)
    My System:
    Amplification - Sansui AU-alpha 707 DR
    Turntable - Technics SP10 MK2-Technics EPA-250 Tonearm-Yannis Tome 423.5Plus tonearm cable-Eichmann KLEI Absolute Harmony plugs.
    Ortofon Cadenza Black moving coil cartridge-Fritz Gyger S re-tip. Panzerholz plinth.

    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable-airloc banana plugs
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket-Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs-Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham67 View Post
    Hi Robbie, sorry to hear it. Must be a pain after the micro seiki which did have a lock. I don't know anything about the EPA 250 but it might be worthwhile having a chat to Steve at Magna. Could some sort of grub screw be fitted or some other modification be made to increase the friction ? If anyone could come up with something clever it would be steve.
    That would seem to be the best solution, for someone with the tools and talent. Drill, tap, grub screw.
    I just dropped in, to see what condition my condition was in

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon Quintet Blue. Phono: Project Tube Box CD: Marantz CD6006 (UK Edition); Amp: Musical Fidelity A5 Integrated.
    Speakers: Zu Omen Def, REL T9i subwoofer. Cables: Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Amptastic Mini One,Arcam A75 integrated, Celestion 5's, BK XLS-200 DF

    A/V:
    LG 55" OLED, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL Storm sub

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    Join Date: Sep 2014

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    i know where id be sending it robbie.....
    My System
    John Wood KT88 Amp.
    Paradise Phono Stage
    Sony TTS-8000 Turntable.
    PMAT-1010 MK6 Tonearm.
    Ortofon Cadenza Bronze
    Sony X555ES Cd Player
    Yamaha NS1000m Speakers

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