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    This is a diagram from a 1060's radio containing Saba Greencone mid and tweeter.

    I am rubbish at reading these things, so can anyone identify what crossovers they are using if any. at the very least I would expect the tweeter to have a high pass filter.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumpy View Post
    This is a diagram from a 1960's radio containing Saba Greencone mid and tweeter.

    I am rubbish at reading these things, so can anyone identify what crossovers they are using if any. at the very least I would expect the tweeter to have a high pass filter.

    Thanks

    saba big diagram.jpg
    Looking at the circuit diagram there is no crossover. It looks as if the speaker labelled '401' handles the full range. The second speaker is connected in parallel with the first; and with the plug and socket arrangement shown, may simply be an option to add a second speaker (having an impedance of 5 Ohm) to the radio.

    Are you sure the second speaker is a tweeter? Some photos of both speakers would help.
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Looking at the circuit diagram there is no crossover. It looks as if the speaker labelled '401' handles the full range. The second speaker is connected in parallel with the first; and with the plug and socket arrangement shown, may simply be an option to add a second speaker (having an impedance of 5 Ohm) to the radio.

    Are you sure the second speaker is a tweeter? Some photos of both speakers would help.
    Interesting, thanks. Looks like they are running the mid (401) full range, which it does very well. Does the tweeter get any protection from low frequencies in this configuration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumpy View Post
    Interesting, thanks. Looks like they are running the mid (401) full range, which it does very well. Does the tweeter get any protection from low frequencies in this configuration?
    No, the second speaker shown is simply generic. If you want to use a tweeter in it's place, I would fit a series capacitor to limit the low frequencies, and experiment with the capacitor value (start with one having a value of 4uF and go from there).
    Barry

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    Thanks Barry
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    Power amps -- Welborne 45 SET monoblocks 1.8W / Decware Taboo 6W / Elekit 300B TU-8600SVK plus further improved components 9W / ICE Power 1000W
    Speakers
    Highly modified Endorphin P17 open baffle speakers containing both vintage and modern alnico drivers and paper cones. All silver wired - 8" Cube Audio FC8 full range drivers and vintage 15" Altec VOTT 416 bass drivers. All sat on Townsend Audio Podium seismic isolation platforms.
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    Headphones
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