Cheers guys, the TD160 is still top of my list, but i've read that the Ariston RD11 shares a lot of parts with the LP12, in fact the LP12 is from what i've read a copy of the RD11, given the fact that there is supply of LP12 parts would an RD11 be worth a look or are there a whole host of parts that are different and now unobtainable?