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    The main aspect to consider when deciding on replacing the original cross-over for a modified one, " Musicality" if a modified cross-over seemingly addresses shortfalls within the original cross-over design, then it has to do it while still maintaning the original Musicality of the speaker design, and not strangle the life and breath out of the speaker in the name of accuracy!
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    That makes a lot of sense Lawrence ! Thanks for your opinion.

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    I had Tannoy 15s in Lancasters from'72 to '84, and rewired the I/P wires to the Xover. I was not that impressed with the quality of the Xover build, most of my own work, MoD trained was rather better However the basic design, choice of component values may well have been good, and others who measure them may know that.

    I am surprised that you have not chosen the later HPD driver.

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    +1 for Paul @ RFC he designed my 250 litre cabs and I got him to build a reference standard pair of XO-s. He's actually quite cheap when you consider what you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyTD View Post
    The main aspect to consider when deciding on replacing the original cross-over for a modified one, " Musicality" if a modified cross-over seemingly addresses shortfalls within the original cross-over design, then it has to do it while still maintaning the original Musicality of the speaker design, and not strangle the life and breath out of the speaker in the name of accuracy!
    I fully agree. There's no harm in improving, provided the identity of the speaker is not sacrificed. So what you say is part of the question. Can we improve on the original crossovers without losing what Tannoy set out to do in the first place ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    +1 for Paul @ RFC he designed my 250 litre cabs and I got him to build a reference standard pair of XO-s. He's actually quite cheap when you consider what you get.
    What's the price range ? Are there any reference links ? Website ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos View Post
    I had Tannoy 15s in Lancasters from'72 to '84, and rewired the I/P wires to the Xover. I was not that impressed with the quality of the Xover build, most of my own work, MoD trained was rather better However the basic design, choice of component values may well have been good, and others who measure them may know that.

    I am surprised that you have not chosen the later HPD driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denzil View Post
    What's the price range ? Are there any reference links ? Website ?

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    Thanks !

    I just went through the website. It says "We can provide very accurate and top quality crossovers for all Tanoy Red, Silver, Monitor Gold and HPD Tannoy loudspeaker drivers (prices from £150 for complete re-capping and switch cleaning of existing Tannoy crossovers and from £250 upwards for new Tannoy crossovers)".

    I'm wondering, since they offer both services, if they were presented with giving a candid opinion regarding a choice between refurbishment or supplying new crossovers, what would they recommend. And what would the difference be between the two options ? Would anyone have comparative graphs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denzil View Post
    Thanks !

    I just went through the website. It says "We can provide very accurate and top quality crossovers for all Tanoy Red, Silver, Monitor Gold and HPD Tannoy loudspeaker drivers (prices from £150 for complete re-capping and switch cleaning of existing Tannoy crossovers and from £250 upwards for new Tannoy crossovers)".

    I'm wondering, since they offer both services, if they were presented with giving a candid opinion regarding a choice between refurbishment or supplying new crossovers, what would they recommend. And what would the difference be between the two options ? Would anyone have comparative graphs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denzil View Post
    Thanks !

    I just went through the website. It says "We can provide very accurate and top quality crossovers for all Tanoy Red, Silver, Monitor Gold and HPD Tannoy loudspeaker drivers (prices from £150 for complete re-capping and switch cleaning of existing Tannoy crossovers and from £250 upwards for new Tannoy crossovers)".

    I'm wondering, since they offer both services, if they were presented with giving a candid opinion regarding a choice between refurbishment or supplying new crossovers, what would they recommend. And what would the difference be between the two options ? Would anyone have comparative graphs ?

    Denzil
    Just email him. He's very honest and straight forward.
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