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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Had this one back in the day...


    If I ever went down this Rabbit hole I'd go for the Ortofon DS-3, the plate you sit the stylus on is the thickness of a 180gm record, which probably gets around any VTA variances with the chinese cheap jobbies (of which I own one)
    Not cheap at around a Ton though.

    Maybe cheaper to get your dealer to set it.
    No good for anyone wanting 1.8 Grams
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    Measures up to 3 grammes!

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    still got mine.. 2 spots for placing the stylus
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiz View Post
    This depends very much on the design of the tonearm.
    Have a look at this article for a detailed examination of this subject:

    https://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/in_balance_e.html
    Thanks for pointing me to this article, very useful. I do use a scale that's not leveled with the playing position of the stylus (higher)
    I made a couple of measurements removing the mat and then the platter (thus going to the opposite side) and the lower the gauge the lower the VTF was.
    Food for thought and time to rediscover the analog types (Garrard SPG3 is on its way)

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    I tried with and without my 5mm Achromat.

    Without - 1.50g

    With - 1.55g

    Boy you should have heard the difference that 0.05g made

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    As an amusing aside regarding the SPG-3, a magazine (I think it was Hi-Fi World, but don't quote me) did a group test of various new balances about 15 years ago, but also threw an old SPG-3 in for a bit of a giggle.

    The SPG-3 turned out to be the most reliable and accurate of the lot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fmarco64 View Post
    Thanks for pointing me to this article, very useful. I do use a scale that's not leveled with the playing position of the stylus (higher)
    I made a couple of measurements removing the mat and then the platter (thus going to the opposite side) and the lower the gauge the lower the VTF was.
    Food for thought and time to rediscover the analog types (Garrard SPG3 is on its way)
    Having carefully read this, I decided to try something out this morning.

    I run my Micro Benz LP-S at 1.7gm and set it up using an Ortofon beam balance gauge https://www.ortofon.com/stylus-press...e-p-279-n-3444.

    I checked the height from the platter to the Ortofon balance beam when level and this is just over 6mm. This means the stylus tip when on the Ortofon balance beam at the desired setting it is about 5mm above the record surface, based on taking and average of 1.2mm thickness for an LP see http://gallery.audioasylum.com/cgi/g...ssbyweight.jpg.


    So my arm is a constrained uni-pivot and so I decided to that the last figures for a uni-pivot into account, so a raising of 0.285gm with a stylus VTF measurement taken at 5mm above the record height. As my arm had the weight in line with the arm tube I decided to initially take in account an adjustment of 0.2gm. I therefore set the VTF up using the Ortofon gauge at 1.5gm.

    Well this has made quite a bit of difference, better detail/definition, more dynamic and open, and a seemingly larger soundstage, whether this is perfect or not I cannot be sure, I think I may be investing in one of these when I can afford it. https://www.ortofon.com/ds-3-digital...e-p-708-n-3444
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    Here's an explanation about the effect on apparent VTF due to the height of the stylus scales in relation to the height of the LP on the platter.

    http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/in_balance_e.html
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    I have one of the digital gauges mentioned by the OP: the EMB-1. Despite have a readout to three decimal places, the third figure can only be "0" or "5", so the resolution is 0.005g.

    I weighed the calibration weights that come with the Transcriptor/Michell 'beam' balance using a laboratory chemical balance, whose weights had been checked against standards confirmed by the UK's National Physical Laboratory. I then weighed these Transcriptor weighs using the EMB-1 digital scales. In all cases the worse-case error in using the EMB-1 was 0.01g. Since IMO it is pointless in trying to achive VTF values correct to two decimal places, I regard the EMB-1 scales to be more than adequate.

    This accuracy was maintained regardless of whether the detachable outrigger was used or not; it's sole purpose in being to place the stylus notionally at the same level as that of a record. But again, as above link http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/in_balance_e.html shows, the error is very small: certainly less than 0.1g for most sensible arm geometries. Just as well, otherwise one would be constantly be having to change the VTF (and VTA) every time one played a record of a different thickness (i.e. weight).
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    These are good.. Not sure if still available but may be

    got mine today,a nice bit of kit and i like the glass stylus area to,no more suffering minus figures caused by the pull of the magnets in my cartridge.nice one grant,cheers for the tip off.
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