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I'm Shaun.
I would have thought that not hosting the sale of counterfeits was page 1 ?
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do anything, i'm just a little surprised people have thrown up insignificant obstacles in detail
in justifying the existence of such an obviously dubious product..
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Location: Seaford UK
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I'm Dennis.
Surely the issue is whether or not there is an attempt to deceive.
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I'm joe.
It's a good idea for a daytime TV show: 'Clone or Knock-off: You Decide'. There's shedloads of out-or-work actors who'd jump at the chance of hosting that, and a captive audience of millions.
Location: Grimsby
Posts: 398
I'm David.
I don't think the seller has tried to deceive anyone, I'm sure many of us have seen the ad on ebay selling these from China.
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I'm joe.
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Location: Co.Durham
Posts: 84
I'm Frank.
Krell? Or fell off the back of a lorry?
Do you think it's something new? It's what the Japanese/Chinese do. The clone gene must be less recessive in them. They've been at it for decades. The only difference now is that once there was only their home market. The Japanese have always had a audiophile community which always regarded UK hi-fi. In the 60s they wanted Garrard 301s. They couldn't get them - so they made copies. The difference now is that the Chinese have a world market for copies.
And it's not necessarily a cheap option. Today I've been looking at amplifier cases. I was looking at a pair of McIntosh copies. $500 + $200 carriage.
It's hardly surprising it happens when the original item is getting made there. And they're not daft enough to put a genuine name on the front panel as that would be counterfeiting. An AC Cobre clone might have the name on it, but it's not going to be registered as a genuine AC in the logbook.
If the origins are stated when something is being sold, then people are free to make up their own mind. The problem arises when something is made out to be something it's not. That's fraud.
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Location: Co.Durham
Posts: 84
I'm Frank.
Might add. There ARE some Chinese-made items that are counterfeit and sold to be genuine (I'm not talking about components). Line Magnetic (a genuine Chinese manufacturer of some quality hi-fi) products can be had on AliExpress and elsewhere. These are not genuine registered dealers, and as such, the products they offer aren't genuine Line Magnetic. When they fail, as quite often will be the case, and get sent to LM for repair, they get confiscated and scrapped and the buyer is out of pocket.