Clone or Knock off??

[WESTLOWER]

We are talking about original products that are still in production
And are being basically Bootlegged

[walpurgis]

We are talking about original products that are still in production
And are being basically Bootlegged

Are we? I don't recall seeing that as a requirement for joining in.

I can't actually think of a copied/cloned Hi-Fi product that is an imitation of a current model.

[WESTLOWER]

Are we? I don't recall seeing that as a requirement for joining in.

I can't actually think of a copied/cloned Hi-Fi product that is an imitation of a current model.

Ok, I started the thread because of this
https://theartofsound.net/forum/show...ower-Amplifier

But you are right it’s not a requirement of joining in.
But I was referring to (it may not have been clear !) current production equipment

[walpurgis]

Ok, I started the thread because of this
https://theartofsound.net/forum/show...ower-Amplifier

That is not based on a current production model. The current NHB-108 Model 2, is itself a sort of clone of their original from around 2005.

[WESTLOWER]

That is not based on a current production model. The current NHB-108 Model 2, is itself a sort of clone of their original from around 2005.

Yes I understand, but can you see the point that’s attempting to be made?

[paulf-2007]

Hmm, Interesting point...
so if one states it’s a fake, but still continues to try and sell the fake, even though to the eye it’s a complete facsimile of a product, which a company has invested a massive amount of R&D, money and commitment in.... its ok, because they stated it was a clone to begin with?

Imho that doesn’t sit right, and darn sure if any of us had the same commitment to a product we’d be very upset.

Not exactly endorsing the small business ethic that make up the hifi industry!

if any patent or copyright has expired then it's ok to copy the design. Sticking a badge from the original on it is not

[WESTLOWER]

if any patent or copyright has expired then it's ok to copy the design. Sticking a badge from the original on it is not

In the instance of the Dartzeel NHB-108, which I am referring too, it's clearly still in production, (ok, as Geoff so clearly pointed out the MK2 is still in production),

The case work has been totally copied, the logo badge has been put on the front of the case, the electronics inside the case have been copied, albeit with inferior parts no doubt!.

This thing is a complete KNOCK OFF, a Bootleg...

My point about stand alone Hifi manufactures stands.
Dartzeel have put all their investment into the said equipment, only to have it totally copied, even to the font on the case.

It's not an open source Free to use design. It's still in copyright.
So it's plainly not legal or right!

How can anyone defend the selling of such equipment.

[Macca]

It has the Dartzeel logo on it? I didn't realise that. As I said before I don't agree with using the name or logo. That makes the clone/copy a counterfeit so crosses the line for me.

[WESTLOWER]

It has the Dartzeel logo on it? I didn't realise that. As I said before I don't agree with using the name or logo. That makes the clone/copy a counterfeit so crosses the line for me.

[Macca]

That explains why I never saw it then. The real thing does have the Dartzeel name in black font at the top centre of the fascia and this doesn't. The little plate on the real one seems to say something about 'Sensi Masters' or something.

So you are saying that AoS shouldn't be hosting sale of counterfeits? Seems reasonable. I will consult.